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  • #2115051
    DJ Vintage
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    Many a discussion has been carried out on this and other forums (although in DJ land, the trend is most definitely towards active speakers, so the whole what amp goes with what speaker well discussion becomes mute) about what is the best thing to do.

    In general you will need to watch a few things, like impedance (the 8 ohm bit) and the RMS (continous) power rating.
    Unless you also need a small(ish) PA mixer with your DJ setup, I’d skip the powered mixers and stick with a regular amp.

    The remaining question is do I need MORE power than my speakers or LESS.
    This is also where most of the differing opinions originate.

    Personally, I think you need a little extra headroom. Here’s the thinking behind it:
    * Amplifiers start to distort and then clip as they reach the edge of their power window
    * Heavy distortion is audible, so really takes away from the sound quality
    * Heavy distortion is, under specific circumstances (like prolonged use in that situation), able to cause permanent damage to your speakers
    * clipping is downright damaging to your speakers. Blowing out a tweeter with a nice clipped signal is not an exception.

    The more expensive amps will have protection mechanisms, but those are all stop-gaps as far as I am concerned. The simpler clipping protection will just shut off the signal to the speaker. In which case the audience will hear the break in the sound and you have to hope it kicks in before serious harm is done.

    IF you have like 20-25% power headroom, you don’t have to (nor should) turn your amp up to 100%, thus staying away from distortion/clipping. You can either measure or field test what amp volume level you need to stick to and mark that position. Make it a habit to never turn your amps up higher than that, respect the “0dB Rulez”-rule throughout the rest of the signal path (controller/mixer/whatever) and you should be golden.

    In my days I have seen more speakers blown because of UNDERpowered amps than OVERpowered amps because of the reasons I described.

    Hope that helps some.

    #2117091
    Ian Buckley
    Participant

    we’ve just been buying new amps and you need make sure the amps rms you are looking at is listed as 250 ish rms @ 8 ohms not 4 ohms. the latest amp we bought was 1000 rms @ 4 ohms but 670 rms @ 8 ohms

    had a look at the cabs and they look sweet but at the spec you’ve listed 250 w rms according to the spiel

    EUROLIVE VP1520

    Professional 1000-Watt PA Speaker with 15″ Woofer and 1.75″ Titanium-Diaphragm Compression Driver

    •Professional 1000-Watt 2-Way PA speaker system (250 Watts Continuous / 1000 Watts Peak Power)
    •Exceptional sound quality, wide frequency bandwidth and dynamic range

    •Extremely powerful 15” long-excursion driver provides incredibly deep bass and acoustic power
    •Proprietary 1.75” titanium-diaphragm compression driver for exceptional high-frequency reproduction

    •Proprietary horn design for ultra-wide sound dispersion
    •Overload-protection circuitry ensures optimal HF driver protection

    #2117301
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    @Ian: I have a hard time accepting that an amp going 1kW into 4 Ohm can do 670 into 8 Ohm. There is a very simple formula involved here. And that formula dictates that if you DOUBLE the impedance (ohms) you HALVE the power output. This is physics 101 and not something a manufacturer can change.

    Obviously there could be all kinds of electronic/technological features in play that limit the output power when a 4 ohm set of speakers is attached, but it still sounds a bit off to me.

    Not sure what gear you bought already and what you are planning on getting, but this 250W RMS speaker is ready for a 300W amp. If you were to hang these puppies onto the amp you mentioned (@ 670W RMS! – assuming this is per channel rating), I am afraid you’ll blow them rather quickly.

    #2117381
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    First of all the EUROLIVE VP1520 are really bad. No they cannot handle 1000W, yes they say 250W but the most you should drive them is 200W. Even at 200W the whole case will be rattling and sound will be very mediocre.
    So honestly I would never go beyond 300W for the pair of them.

    #2117701
    Ian Buckley
    Participant

    Hi guys I wasn’t saying buy a mahoooooosive amp I was trying to point out that most rms ratings for amps are listed at 4 ohm you have to dig to find the 8 ohm rating and if he got something 300 w rms @ 4 ohms it would be as quiet as a mouse in a soundproofed box

    #2117751
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Ah, very correct … as I tried to demonstrate with the formula 😀

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