Am i ready to use CDJs in Clubs?
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August 6, 2014 at 9:50 pm #2048048
Marco Solo
ParticipantI’d say more than ready. If you can beatmatch without phase meters and bpm readouts you’ll be fine. Just remember that the waveforms will be much cruder or even non-existant. But if you’re uncertain, try to borrow or rent a cdj setup and try it out. If you rent it in the middle of the week it shouldn’t be that expensive either. Ask clubs what they use and read the manuals for their gear.
August 6, 2014 at 10:18 pm #2048053hugh.lurcott@hotmail.co.uk
ParticipantThanks for the reply.. Could you explain the extent of the bpm read off on all editions of the 1000s? Is it to the decimal place? Does it work out bpm on any cd burnt from for example iTunes?
Thanks
August 6, 2014 at 10:42 pm #2048054Marco Solo
ParticipantI don’t know, but it would be easy to find out by reading the manuals and looking at pictures of the layout.
August 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm #2048056DJ Vintage
ModeratorThe 1000s have BPM read-out XXX, but the deviation in % = X.XX I think.
Be aware that you can only use three hot cue/loop points PER CD!
It should analyse any track on a CD. Warning here is to use good quality CDs, burn them at modest speed and as audio CD (not MP3 CD’s). They are MP3 compatible players, but I have had read errors on burnt MP3 CDs.
I’d seriously consider just bringing my controller to the venue, frankly.
August 7, 2014 at 12:17 am #2048063hugh.lurcott@hotmail.co.uk
ParticipantThanks for the advice.. I guess I could consider bringing it, but I would like to learn eventually and I guess it’s better to learn at this stage then when I have more on the line if I managed to get better gigs..
When you say 3 cue points per CD, these aren’t saved to the CD or CDJ but to SD cards you put in separately right? In that regard without owning cdjs to prep with I can’t really take advantage of these anyway can I?
August 7, 2014 at 7:57 am #2048078DJ Vintage
ModeratorCorrect. There is (far as I know) no software that lets you prepare/edit the SD card info or anything. SD-feature is also available only in mk3 players.
Effectively you should consider the 1000s just big and very expensive CD-players.
I understand your urge to “learn”, but there really isn’t much to learn.
You buy a really advanced, high tech, electric and electronic car with loads of features and learn to drive it well. Then someone gives you a 1965 VW Beetle to use for a weekend away. No electrics or electronics, all manual including the stick shift. Trust me, you may have to figure out the buttons for 10 minutes, but you will be driving the Beetle and only missing all the nice extra’s you have on your car and wishing you’d brought your own car. There is, imho, no pride, honor or any other form of reward driving a really old car with very limited features if you have a brand new fully-equipped car sitting at home in the garage.
I’d be more worried about doing the best possible job I can the first few times out to maximise my chances of getting return gigs. And the best way to assure yourself of that is by using gear you are familiar with. Like vinyl (music not timecode) back in the day, CDJs mean knowing your music intimately, manually setting the starting beat (hit cue once you cueued up the right spot while the CDJ is in PAUSE mode), manually beatmatching if appropriate and using the (often limited or no FX) mixer for your transitions. And if you are not used to that, while not hard, it takes your focus away from the set and towards the gear.
I am an old guy and came up through those old days, so perhaps that is why the “lure” of vinyl and CDJ eludes me. Been there, done that and glad to be moving on to more technologically advanced (not to mention cheaper, easier to transport and easier to maintain) gear. I still play regularly on CDJ2000s (Nexus) and occasionally on something as far back as an old 200. I believe the 1000s were first released in 2001, so they have been around for a while. I always carry a bunch of CD’s in a case with me (although currently re-doing my collection and hopefully end up with just enough CDs that they’ll easily fit in a CD-wallet and I know those CDs intimately. So playing on any player is never an issue. But that’s the advantage of years and experience.
Well, I guess you get my message.
Hope this helps some.
August 7, 2014 at 10:11 am #2048110Terry_42
KeymasterWell I have had gigs in Manchester, OK last one was roughly 3 years ago, but even then 1000s were only in the very low end of the club scene.
Typically British clubs are very open about your gear and almost all have a tech or at least a tech/venue manager combination and it was ZERO problem to have them setup my controller or tell me how they want me to setup.
So unless you come to the venue with a Hercules 100 bucks controller (that would be bad) and you show up with a decent controller (mine was an S4 back then) there should not be a problem to use your gear.I am sure you can pull off DJing with CDJs if you can beatmatch, but it will greatly hinder your workflow as those 1000s are actually pretty crappy big CD players and nothing much more…
August 7, 2014 at 10:17 am #2048113hugh.lurcott@hotmail.co.uk
ParticipantI guess the message you’re giving me is that I should use my S4? Artistically I know CDJs are more limiting but I always considered this was countered by the more professional look and the fact that fannying around with effects and things like that aren’t especially necessary in the hands of a warmup DJ..
Thanks for the help guys lots of food for thought
August 7, 2014 at 10:28 am #2048114Lamid45G
ParticipantYou dont need to worry about FX anyway, those are done in the mixers, (might want to find out too what kind of mixers they have other than the crappy CDj 1000)
Just like others recommended, much better if you can just bring the S4 with ya at the venues,
the way the CDJ 1000 set up its just meh, it didnt support USB, no waves, all you see this tetris thing at the screen LOL
No precise BPM, unlike the nexus one, so the BPM only read for ex. 130 vs 130.55 at the nexusOne trick I found is for example if you have song A at 130 bpm, at +2.60, the other song is i try to matched it with a whole number somewhere like +1.40 or +.40 depends on the situation,
The easier solution is just to play tunes that you know all in the same bpm for ex. at 130, that way if you have song A at +2.50, the song B should be at the same +2.50August 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm #2048217Terry_42
KeymasterEspecially in the UK I have found that bringing your controller (if it is no crappy thing) is considered very professional. And the S4 has a pretty good reputation amongst techs.
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