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  • March 29, 2013 at 9:37 am #38513
    Terry_42
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    Sorry I have no idea at this time, as it is so fresh I never had it in my hands and prolly the same goes for a lot of people.
    But then speaking from history with the launchpad: Ableton is never easy for a beginner.

    April 1, 2013 at 11:35 am #38623
    Mike Ward
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    Have you downloaded the 30-day Ableton evaluation and had a play? It’s fully-featured so you can get a feel for how Ableton fits together. I would DEFINITELY recommend going through the lessons that are included within Ableton (they also have projects included so you are actually hands-on while reading) and there are some videos on YouTube that talk about setting up Ableton in ‘DJ mode’ (assigning the A/B deck, how to organise effects etc…)
    Also, take a look at warping (ensuring a track stays on the beat throughout), that’s pretty much the essence of anything that’s done in Ableton – it’s extremely powerful and very easy to use, once you get your head around it.

    As for Push, not used it, but had a mess with the Launchpad in a store. Push looks to be a whole extra level on that (Launchpad is literally just a lot of buttons on a square board used to launch clips and scenes), and I’d be interested to take a look. Anyway, definitely download Ableton first, it’s a hefty download (and a heftier price tag if you want to buy it) but it’s definitely worth it! It’ll Midi map a breeze to any Midi controller you have to get a feel for how it might work from a performance, rather than a production, perspective.
    FYI – you can often pick up second hand copies of older versions (Ableton Live 8) on eBay for half the price of what Ableton 9 is going for…

    April 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm #39101
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    DJ McNee, post: 38654, member: 8026 wrote: So it hasn’t really been released or lots made but as a beginer who’s never used abelton would it be easy enough to use?

    Terry_42, post: 38669, member: 1843 wrote:
    But then speaking from history with the launchpad: Ableton is never easy for a beginner.

    Have to agree with Terry, I’m looking at the Push, but right now I have a launchpad that serves as my main Traktor controller and I use it for Ableton Live. I’ve been playing with this thing since February, and I just figured out how to use the drum racks. I don’t know how fast you learn, but I usually pick things up easily, but this took me a while

    Mike Ward, post: 38779, member: 9775 wrote: Have you downloaded the 30-day Ableton evaluation and had a play? It’s fully-featured so you can get a feel for how Ableton fits together. I would DEFINITELY recommend going through the lessons that are included within Ableton…Anyway, definitely download Ableton first, it’s a hefty download (and a heftier price tag if you want to buy it) but it’s definitely worth it!…you can often pick up second hand copies of older versions (Ableton Live 8) on eBay for half the price of what Ableton 9 is going for…

    Also, excellent advice! I have bought every piece of kit on eBay and probably saved at least $500. Also, if you are a student or teacher, Ableton will knock the price down by a couple hundred

    The rates from their website
    Push + Live 9 Standard – $868
    Push + Live 9 Suite – $1048

    April 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm #39102
    DJ McNee
    Member

    Just wondering is it worth getting the 600$ push with live 9 intro? Or is that too restricted

    April 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm #39104
    Alex Wray
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    DJ McNee, post: 39258, member: 8026 wrote: Just wondering is it worth getting the 600$ push with live 9 intro? Or is that too restricted

    I mean if you don’t like it, you could sell the hardware on ebay for probably at least $600 alone, plus you would still have the copy of Live Intro. Also, the website didn’t quote me a price for Push + Intro, but here is the official feature comparison of Intro, Standard, and Suite

    https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/

    April 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm #39105
    DJ McNee
    Member

    On dj tech tools you can buy it with intro im not quite sold on the push yet im alsoo considering madchine but do you also need a daw or is the maschine software good enough

    April 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm #39106
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    From the NI website

    [quote=”Create tight rhythms, harmonies and melodies in moments with MASCHINE – the groundbreaking instrument that combines a pattern-based sequencer, professional sampler, multi-effect unit and VST/AU plug-in host with tactile control…Experience a fully creative workflow with the integrated hardware/software system, combining the flexibility of computer-based music production with straightforward, two-handed control for composing, performing, browsing, sampling, slicing, sound-shaping and tweaking effects…Make MASCHINE the centerpiece of your studio set-up. With direct access to all software functions via the intuitive hardware, you can easily browse, load, tweak, play, arrange, and automate all sampler, plug-in and effect parameters with full hands-on control…With MASCHINE you can also control and sequence all of your external hardware instruments, or switch to MIDI mode to control other software. Once your track is ready, drag and drop your patterns as MIDI or audio files directly into your DAW to finalize and mix your production…Use MASCHINE as an instrument and/or MIDI controller for performing your own tracks, or sync it with other gear like TRAKTOR PRO 2 to add more dynamics to your live set.

    Sorry if it got long winded, but it looks like you basically could build a track in Maschine and just do the final touches in a DAW.

    April 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm #39107
    DJ McNee
    Member

    Thats what i thought so its not really an issue but ive been stuck on this decision for awhile now i wanted the maschine forever and didnt have the money but now the push is out and theyre the same price i feel the maschine might be better because of the sounds it comes with but its not that hard to get more but i like how the push can also be used to launch clips and the step sequencing so its a hard decision im probably going to go with push because it seems it might be easier to use as a fitst conroller for production because of all the tutorials around abelton and the advertising for the push is about how you dont need to look at the computer at all

    April 13, 2013 at 5:22 pm #39108
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    Either way you go, best of luck!

    April 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm #39109
    DJ McNee
    Member

    Thanks also 1 other thing thats been on my mind would i need a sound card to run it thru rcas to speakers

    April 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm #39110
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    Push or Maschine?

    April 13, 2013 at 5:53 pm #39111
    DJ McNee
    Member

    Push?

    April 13, 2013 at 5:55 pm #39112
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    and no, neither has a built in sound card

    April 13, 2013 at 5:59 pm #39113
    DJ McNee
    Member

    So i would need one

    April 13, 2013 at 6:04 pm #39114
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    Yeah, if you dont already have one

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