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November 12, 2011 at 9:41 am #9734
U31
MemberTrust your ears not that old crap…
According to MIK none of my stuff should work..November 12, 2011 at 2:43 pm #9737Jem
MemberYeah, it’s not as black and white as that, I think.
It’s a good tool but not prescriptive. What it does do is help eliminate those times when you cue something up in your headphones and then think, nope that clashes.
It can also give you inspiration to try mixing things that you are unlikely to have considered.
In answer to the first post, of course all mixes don’t need to be harmonically sound. All mixes don’t have to be in the same bpm range either. In fact, there are no rules – if it sounds good, it sounds good.
November 12, 2011 at 6:39 pm #9740DJ eengenious
ParticipantJem, post: 9733 wrote: In fact, there are no rules – if it sounds good, it sounds good.
Yeah, that’s the philosophy I’ve been going with. Guess I’ll stick with it
Thanks for the feedback.
November 12, 2011 at 7:20 pm #1002123DJ Stone Crazy
ParticipantNo matter the bpm, if the notes match, you can pull off the mix. I do it all the time.
November 12, 2011 at 9:39 pm #9752Jem
MemberAnd actually what’s far more important than the mix is playing the right tune at the right time.
November 12, 2011 at 9:52 pm #9753DJ GRE
MemberTrue to all the above… always play the right track harmonic or not. Also dissonance is not necessarily a bad thing… the way the MIK circle works is by using the circle of fifths – which is really simply the easiest way to make things match; however there are WAY more ways to use keys in a mix – if you follow MIK on twitter they have tips that show some different ways of mixing around the circle.
November 13, 2011 at 1:21 pm #9777Phil Morse
KeymasterThe answer is that the BPM and key need to match. If they don’t, you get round if by engaging keylock, but use your ears as this can make tunes sound bad.
November 13, 2011 at 1:45 pm #9778U31
MemberAs Phil has pointed out, the keylock algorithm when used with wild variance of pitch takes a lot of processing power, and this can sometimes cause distortion in the tune
November 14, 2011 at 1:17 pm #9801softcore
MemberScientists agree that only a very small small percentage of people on earth is “tone-deaf”. What this means is that even if you do not have ANY musical education or classical notation knowledge, your ears (in fact, your brain) can spot two out of tune sounds. To better comprehend the above imagine that a totally “tone-deaf” person would not be able to tell a man from a woman on the phone ;).
So, my opinion, is don’t get too caught up with these “in key” programs – your ears can definitely do a good job spotting tracks that do not mix well together because of tonality (key of each track).
November 14, 2011 at 3:48 pm #9809eros
MemberLot of valid points raised above, but here’s my two cents worth. Some genres are much more amenable to harmonic mixing. I mainly play trance and this certainly is one of them. Harmonic mixing is especially useful if I’m mixing in and out of tracks quickly and makes the transitions a lot smoother. Armin Van Buuren is a big advocate of harmonic mixing and a lot of his mixes are organised this way. That being said I totally agree with DJ GRE that dissonance used correctly can be a very striking effect.
Also DJeengenious you ask do they have to be in the same key. Short answer is no. If you’ve ever experimented with musical chords and arpeggios you can hear how some work together whilst others clash. Just experiment with it and see what you like and do what you think sounds good…that’s one of the greatest things about DJing, it is whatever you want to make it. Just like Jem said there are no rules.
November 14, 2011 at 3:54 pm #9811U31
MemberHarmoniously compatible into harmoniously compatible into harmoniously compatible at similar BPM can rapidly become boring though.. the ear craves those off key changes
Something to bear in mind
November 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm #9835Cool Cats
MemberU31, post: 9730 wrote: According to MIK none of my stuff should work..
Likewise. Sometimes it can give you an idea, but you’ll know from messing around what works. MIK has suggested things that in practice sound outright terrible. 🙂
November 15, 2011 at 12:47 pm #9894mr_john
Memberof all the DJ “mistakes” I witness, mixing out of key is the one I forgive the easiest. I’ll recognize it, say to myself “well that didn’t sound very good” but eventually my ears make the transition to the new key and life moves forward.
As for myself, I play it by ear. If I don’t like how it sounds, I simply don’t do it. I don’t know my scales anyway :p So even if a program tells me the key I can’t do anything with it. Unless I consult “the wheel of truth” aka the camelot scaleNovember 17, 2011 at 2:00 pm #10005Phil Morse
KeymasterOnce you understand harmonic mixing though it is possible to put key changes deliberately into your mixes for dramatic effect…
November 18, 2011 at 10:09 am #10038Anonymous
Guesteros, post: 9805 wrote: Lot of valid points raised above, but here’s my two cents worth. Some genres are much more amenable to harmonic mixing. I mainly play trance and this certainly is one of them. Harmonic mixing is especially useful if I’m mixing in and out of tracks quickly and makes the transitions a lot smoother. Armin Van Buuren is a big advocate of harmonic mixing and a lot of his mixes are organised this way. That being said I totally agree with DJ GRE that dissonance used correctly can be a very striking effect.
Also DJeengenious you ask do they have to be in the same key. Short answer is no. If you’ve ever experimented with musical chords and arpeggios you can hear how some work together whilst others clash. Just experiment with it and see what you like and do what you think sounds good…that’s one of the greatest things about DJing, it is whatever you want to make it. Just like Jem said there are no rules.
It’s a good tool but not prescriptive. What it does do is help eliminate those times when you cue something up in your headphones and then think, nope that clashes.
It can also give you inspiration to try mixing things that you are unlikely to have considered.
In answer to the first post, of course all mixes don’t need to be harmonically sound. All mixes don’t have to be in the same bpm range either. In fact, there are no rules – if it sounds good, it sounds good.
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