x

Pioneer Single Deck Controller

Home 2023 › Forums › Digital DJ Gear › Pioneer Single Deck Controller

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 17 total)
1 2
  • Author
    Posts
  • October 11, 2011 at 5:16 am #1001847
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    Have you seen the Denon SC 2000?

    http://www.denondj.com/DN-SC2000-P126.aspx

    I would think it meets your spec rather good…..

    October 11, 2011 at 8:51 am #8338
    ARBYSKEE
    Member

    DJ Hessler, post: 8328 wrote: Have you seen the Denon SC 2000?

    http://www.denondj.com/DN-SC2000-P126.aspx

    I would think it meets your spec rather good…..

    Yeah, I reckon this is the closest we have to a great single deck ‘jogwheel’ controller. I have tested it out, and its cool. I feel like its a bit cramped/small though (which does have it advanteges in some situations), and also I know its a fine point but alot of the other controllers have dials to change loop length, but the SC2000 has buttons which work ok, but that makes it harder to create cool loop adjustment effects really quickly. I also think that the effect section is good but not quite as intuitive as say the X1. Mind you, I had limited time to mess around with it so maybe I was missing a trick with these things I mention.

    I can def see the value for the denons, and I may end up buying some. Maybe I’m just being too picky though… I’m just surprised that so far Pioneer hasn’t attempted a medium sized single deck controller that appeals to club DJ’s that are used to using CDJ’s, seeing as it nailed CDJ’s with the ‘single deck’ CDJ 500’s back in the day. I guess they seem focused on all in one controllers at the minute, which Im not knocking, but they don’t fit into everyone’s idea of the ideal set-up.

    I think I’m wondering if its possible for one company to create a club standard controller product, that is adopted industry wide?

    October 11, 2011 at 9:18 am #8339
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    If you want single deck joggwheel controller from Pio you have CDJ350/400/900/2000 to chose from.
    Denon has SC2000/S1200/S3700…..

    I would say No to your Q about clubstandard for controllers.
    Pioneer would IMO not be the one doing it because they are too far behind
    IMO Denon, Numark, NI and A&H are much further on the controller market than Pio
    This is how I see it at the moment, but they can stll catch up….
    All others are IMO not pro gear that has in a club to do at all.

    Denon has not laid many bucks on PR so they could not be the one setting the standard
    Numark goes towards ITCH too much and in EU NI Traktor is leading.
    NI has not good enough quality they are not up to Denon, Pio and Numark.
    A&H has not good enough joggs and layout.
    And Pio as I said are behind and furthermore not as good quality on their controllers as on their other gear IMO.
    Don’t get me wrong, Pio has good quality controllers but not the best and they should be for that money.

    //DJ Hessler

    October 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm #8387
    eros
    Member

    If Pioneer were to make “club standard controllers” then who is going to buy their CDJs ? They would kill off their own business. Problem for Pioneer though is that A&H/Denon/NI do make “club standard” controllers which more and more DJ’s are starting to use. Look at any of their websites and you’ll see big names playing big gigs with them. Pioneer have realised if you cant beat them join them.

    October 13, 2011 at 6:09 pm #8435
    lockon stratos
    Member

    IMO, the players to watch are gemini at the low end (crtl 7), numark (with the ns7/ns6/ns4/etc.), and vestax at the high end. A&H seems to be a lot like Stanton – great ideas, average execution.

    October 14, 2011 at 5:41 am #1001869
    eros
    Member

    Bring on the competition I say. If you look back on the last year and the amount and quality of controllers released, it’s been pretty staggering. Before this they would bring out a CDJ or mixer every 3 years or so and our choices were fairly limited. I think we are going to get more of the same next year as they fight for the market. Plus over here, as soon as Pioneer brought out their DDJ’s , NI reduced the price of the S4 by $300, Denon soon followed reducing the MC6000 by the same amount and each unit cost roughly $1000. Pioneer initially had the DDJ selling for $1400 and cut this after just one month to $1000 as well. Same story with the DJM-T1 initially selling for $2400 now $2000…competition can only be a good thing !

    October 14, 2011 at 8:21 am #8458
    ARBYSKEE
    Member

    eros, post: 8383 wrote: If Pioneer were to make “club standard controllers” then who is going to buy their CDJs ? They would kill off their own business.

    That maybe true. They will try and hang on to the CDJ market for as long as possible, but Im not sure they need to worry to be honest as I think alot of people will still stick to CDJ’s for quite a long time, especially as there is uncertainty surrounding what gear people should buy and what direction the market is going in. Clubs certainly aren’t gonna start throwing their CDJ’s out the booth.

    October 14, 2011 at 9:48 am #8459
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    ARBYSKEE, post: 8454 wrote: That maybe true. They will try and hang on to the CDJ market for as long as possible, but Im not sure they need to worry to be honest as I think alot of people will still stick to CDJ’s for quite a long time, especially as there is uncertainty surrounding what gear people should buy and what direction the market is going in. Clubs certainly aren’t gonna start throwing their CDJ’s out the booth.

    Sorry but if Pioneer does not do something about their pricetag soon, they will have to worry IMO.
    They will ofcause hang on to the CDJ market as long as possible but they will also have to´come up with something better on the MIDI controller side than what they offer now if they are going to be the leading selling brand.

    More than one club that I know of here in Guthenburg Sweden has already thrown theyr CDJ’s out the booth!

    As I see it the market goes these ways:
    Vinyl (a few is still using that)
    DVS (Vinyl with timecode) (a few is using that too)
    CD DVS (using cdj’s with timecode/Midi Denon S3700 has MIDI Hybrid)
    CD (some are still using CDJ’s with CD including myself)
    USB (CDJ but using USB memmory instead of CD’s I’m going that direction myself orderd two 64Gb USB keys today)
    CDJ/Computer (Using CDJs as timecode or MIDI divices)
    Controller/SW (MIDI controllers with Traktor or other sw)
    Controller with built in SW (This is the latestst done by Stanton SCS.4DJ)

    As I see it most are using CDJ/USB or Controller w laptop but it is uncertain if Pio / Denon / Numark will come with something like Stanton. I do think/hope that and they should hurry making their software better than the other……
    And that could convince more of the CDJ users to swap but only the controller users if there is a port on the unit to connect an external screen otherwise they will stick to Traktor or other….

    I do not like to have a laptop to rely on even if it is a Mac. It is built for use at home or on travels. Not for use in a club inviorment with heavy bass that makes it jump and drinks that can be spilt on it. It will not hold up for that in the long run!

    October 17, 2011 at 7:21 pm #8603
    DJ Squared
    Member

    I think somebody will eventually make a large format single deck midi controller but it will not be Pioneer. My bets would be either Numark or Denon. Both of these companies already have single deck jog controllers on the market and are poised to make that offering. There is even rumors of a Denon DN-SC3900 which seems to based on the DN-S3700. And it would not take much to adapt the Numark V7 to full midi instead of just Itch. Pioneer tried their old tactics of wait and see what everybody else does and then once its all been hashed out, put out an overpriced product and say its the best. Unfortunately for them that did not work this time and they pretty much dropped the ball on controllers and are now in trouble.

    October 17, 2011 at 10:21 pm #8620
    ARBYSKEE
    Member

    DJ Squared, post: 8599 wrote: I think somebody will eventually make a large format single deck midi controller but it will not be Pioneer. My bets would be either Numark or Denon.

    I went to the Numark design forum seminar at BPM a few weeks ago, and I asked/suggested to the product development manager that they should make a single deck version of say the NS6 jog section, and his reaction seemed quite positive in that I kind of got the impression that this may already be in the pipeline. Only thing is that the NS6 is very much geared towards itch.

    October 18, 2011 at 8:01 am #1001905
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    DJ Squared, Denon already has a single deck midi controller SC2000? and S3700 and S1200??

    October 18, 2011 at 11:13 am #8641
    DJ Squared
    Member

    DJ Hessler, post: 8632 wrote: DJ Squared, Denon already has a single deck midi controller SC2000? and S3700 and S1200??

    I acknowledged that Denon has a single deck controller. But I think the OP is looking for a large format single deck controller. The SC2000 is a small format controller. The only large format controller on the market that I know of is the Numark V7, but that is an Itch controller not a Midi controller.

    As far as the DN-S1200 & S3700 those can act as controllers, but they were designed as CD & Media players as well as controllers. I think the OP is looking for a stand alone controller that doesn’t do anything else but control software. If that weren’t the case he would be happy with any of the new models in the Pioneer lineup.

    October 18, 2011 at 2:17 pm #8646
    lockon stratos
    Member

    There are two other large format single deck controlers that i know of other than the V7:
    The EKS Otus (which is very interesting with tons of features) and the Stanton SCS.1D, which has a motorized platter with unprecedented resolution (i belive i heard it was 4 thousand ticks per revolution, compared to 2 thousand or 1 thousand for timecode)

    October 18, 2011 at 4:43 pm #1001912
    eros
    Member

    @DJ Hessler “More than one club that I know of here in Guthenburg Sweden has already thrown theyr CDJ’s out the booth”

    Mate it was interesting to read that although I’m not surprised.

    I’m curious as to what set-up they have and how this works. Do they use patch panels of standard interfaces
    that guys can just plug their gear into ?

    Also what about transitioning between DJ’s ?

    October 19, 2011 at 8:47 am #8705
    Pär Hessler
    Participant

    @DJ Squared : OK There is one more, the Stanton system 1 that is a single CD single mixer only MIDI:
    http://www.stantondj.com/stanton-controllers-systems/system1.html

    @eros The clubs in GBG that I know of has an old Pioneer CDJ1000 MkI or MkII that they has in the basement just in case and the booth has only line cables to the PA otherwise it is clean. Because some of the DJs run Traktor and some Serato Scratch Live (SSL)
    and sometimes they run the old CD that is there. My friend who plays on these places used to bring his Denon D9000 Cd player but nowdays he runs on Denon MC 6000/Traktor 2 Pro/PC laptop.
    On those venues there is only one DJ running the whole night so there is no transitions between DJs….

  • Author
    Posts
Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 17 total)
1 2
  • The forum ‘Digital DJ Gear’ is closed to new topics and replies.