Playing the same tunes, but at a different party
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June 5, 2013 at 1:26 am #40987
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ParticipantWelcome to DJing.
I would just take chances. Don’t judge by 1-2 people asking you to just play favorites…but if the floor clears.
June 5, 2013 at 4:00 am #40988DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey RB,
I would only wonder about this if you plan to play exactly the same set, track for track. THAT, I would consider creative poverty. Some painters have used only a few primary colors their whole life and yet managed to make every painting different, yet distinctively “their” style.
When I was still working my 5-star hotel gigs (4 months on end, 6 nights a week, 6-8 hours – monster set???- a day) in the vinyl days, you know I wasn’t playing a new set every day.
People will know if you play A after B after C after D every night. But A after C might be totally different energetically than A before C. So, don’t worry about the amount of stuff you are gonna play. Look at a) what is my core set, the tracks that are everyone’s favorites that they expect to hear and how can I change their order creatively and b) at some new tracks (trust me, 1-2 an hour can already be plenty in that respect) that you can toss in to keep things fresh. 5 classics/favorites with one new track thrown in then another 5 classics/favorites sounds different than 10 classics/favorites in a row.
And maybe you can research a little and find 10-20 more (semi-)recent tracks that are in line with the general trend of the night. There are so many smart playlists around (in iTunes and Spotify to name two popular ones, but also on the more DJ oriented sites), that with literally 10s to 100s of thousands of tracks per genre, it can’t be too hard to find those 10-20 new and 10-20 “older” tracks.
It’ll be fun preparation just figuring out which of these new tracks in your collection go well with others (harmonic mixing and energy levels should help you a lot with that process). You’ll discover new combinations and mixes and probably can’t wait to try them out live.
Let’s say you find 15 of each. That is 30 tracks. At 1-2 bucks a track, 30-60 dollars to buy them legally and in high quality. Have your friends pay you the 30-60 bucks or part of it (even if you are gonna play for free otherwise). If you play for another 6 hour set, you now have 5! different tracks per hour. That is about 25-30%. So, with those simple 30 tunes, you have brought down your set to be only 70-75% identical, purely based on the tracks you play. Toss those 70-75% in a different order and I doubt anyone will think you are repeating yourself. It will still be a joy of recognition with a few “hey, I haven’t heard that one in a while”, “oh, I had forgotten about that one” and “nice, hadn’t heard that one yet” moments thrown in for good measure.
Don’t sweat it, you are out there doing your thing. Which makes you stand out from literally everybody else present at the party! Just realize that they need you to make the night as much as you need them. For them the alternative to a live DJ for FREE! would be to stick in a mix tape. Not half as much fun :-).
Greetinx and break a leg,
C.June 5, 2013 at 4:45 pm #41005Dirty Hippie
MemberChuck gave excellent advice there! I play my own house party series with pretty much the same people there every time (maybe only 10-20 new people each time). I do this every other week through the summer and as I do not make money (although I gain a lot of beer) I do not buy tons of new tracks for these. I have learned what people really like and I do my normal shopping of about 15 bucks a week. I generally play 4-6 hours and no one ever minds that there are repeats. I use these as practice sessions to find new ways to mix faves together and ways to fit a new tracks into the things I really like to play.
June 5, 2013 at 4:46 pm #41006Dirty Hippie
MemberI should clarify that I do not repeat tracks in the same night, but from party to party.
June 5, 2013 at 5:19 pm #41009DJ Vintage
ModeratorDirty Hippie, post: 41161, member: 4027 wrote: Chuck gave excellent advice there! …
Stop it! I am blushing … no seriously, keep going! LOL
June 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm #41010Rick
ParticipantChuck van Eekelen, post: 41144, member: 2756 wrote: Hey RB,
I would only wonder about this if you plan to play exactly the same set, track for track. THAT, I would consider creative poverty. Some painters have used only a few primary colors their whole life and yet managed to make every painting different, yet distinctively “their” style.
When I was still working my 5-star hotel gigs (4 months on end, 6 nights a week, 6-8 hours – monster set???- a day) in the vinyl days, you know I wasn’t playing a new set every day.
People will know if you play A after B after C after D every night. But A after C might be totally different energetically than A before C. So, don’t worry about the amount of stuff you are gonna play. Look at a) what is my core set, the tracks that are everyone’s favorites that they expect to hear and how can I change their order creatively and b) at some new tracks (trust me, 1-2 an hour can already be plenty in that respect) that you can toss in to keep things fresh. 5 classics/favorites with one new track thrown in then another 5 classics/favorites sounds different than 10 classics/favorites in a row.
And maybe you can research a little and find 10-20 more (semi-)recent tracks that are in line with the general trend of the night. There are so many smart playlists around (in iTunes and Spotify to name two popular ones, but also on the more DJ oriented sites), that with literally 10s to 100s of thousands of tracks per genre, it can’t be too hard to find those 10-20 new and 10-20 “older” tracks.
It’ll be fun preparation just figuring out which of these new tracks in your collection go well with others (harmonic mixing and energy levels should help you a lot with that process). You’ll discover new combinations and mixes and probably can’t wait to try them out live.
Let’s say you find 15 of each. That is 30 tracks. At 1-2 bucks a track, 30-60 dollars to buy them legally and in high quality. Have your friends pay you the 30-60 bucks or part of it (even if you are gonna play for free otherwise). If you play for another 6 hour set, you now have 5! different tracks per hour. That is about 25-30%. So, with those simple 30 tunes, you have brought down your set to be only 70-75% identical, purely based on the tracks you play. Toss those 70-75% in a different order and I doubt anyone will think you are repeating yourself. It will still be a joy of recognition with a few “hey, I haven’t heard that one in a while”, “oh, I had forgotten about that one” and “nice, hadn’t heard that one yet” moments thrown in for good measure.
Don’t sweat it, you are out there doing your thing. Which makes you stand out from literally everybody else present at the party! Just realize that they need you to make the night as much as you need them. For them the alternative to a live DJ for FREE! would be to stick in a mix tape. Not half as much fun :).
Greetinx and break a leg,
C.Thanks for the reply. Really concise info and a great help!
I know that a 6 – 7 hour set is probably a normal night for lots of DJs however for me it was a little more than I was expecting! Like I said in my post I only ever do this as a hobby, for fun, not to entertain others, just myself! Having said that, every party I have done has gone down a storm, as people have told me so. I only did them as I was asked, not because I wanted to get out there and get a gig (that’s not what I personally ever wanted).
Maybe I am worrying unnecessarily as I like to practice a lot at home and try and find great ways to mix from one to the next and it may be that it is ME that is getting bored of the same tunes !!(Ha Ha!!)
The main difference between what I am used to doing (80 min CD mix) and what was expected at the party was the time on the decks. What I am trying to say is its easier to fit lots of classics when you have limited space (CD), but it becomes a lot more of a challenge when spun out over the night (6-7 hours).I’ll get on those smart playlist you talk about and also shuffle the sequence a little more (I already do this to some degree anyway as otherwise its pretty pointless DJing in my opinion) I’ll also check for more tunes in my collection I could switch in. Thanks again!
June 5, 2013 at 6:18 pm #41011DJ Vintage
ModeratorGo for it and good luck.
Greetinx,
C.June 7, 2013 at 3:18 am #41059D Homei
ParticipantI’ll offer an anecdote that may help, and a question to expand the topic a bit:
1) People just want to hear their favorite song over and over again
I had a weird DJ gig in NYC 10 years ago – a private restaurant for the ultra-rich. What made it even weirder was the owner insisted on playing a specific song once an hour, all night long. I got sick of it right away, but the regulars loved it. Every night the same people would react as if they had never heard the song. They’d jump around like teenagers getting a prized birthday gift. This went on for months. For all I know, they’re still dancing to that stupid song every hour, on the hour.2) What’s your DJ honor code about repeating songs (especially for internet mixes)?
I try to never repeat the same song during the night. I’ve always felt it was “cheating” because a DJ should have enough good music to last the whole night and then some. I think most DJ’s follow this rule, too. This is more my own pride and snobbery more than the crowd insisting I not play the same song twice.However, the ‘no repeat’ rule creates a dilemma for me as I move my mixes online. I don’t feel like I should repeat a music in a mix CD/podcast/stream as people are seeking out new material. However, I’m finding internet mixes tilt heavily towards highly specialized mix sets, and often there’s just not enough good material, “classics” if you will, to stretch out over several mixes.
I also find my mixes start leaning a little too much on one or two artists that do the specialty well. For example if I wanted to do a downtempo mix of dreamy female vocals, its hard to avoid a Bjork megamix. (actually, its probably not that hard, but hopefully you guys see where I’m going with this.)
What do you guys think?
June 7, 2013 at 6:18 am #41061DJ Vintage
ModeratorDJ Homei, post: 41216, member: 5649 wrote: I’ll offer an anecdote that may help, and a question to expand the topic a bit:
1) People just want to hear their favorite song over and over again
… although I never played the same song every hour and (normally) don’t play any song twice in one night/set, when I was working as a resident DJ in 5-star hotels on 4- to 5-month contracts, I WOULD create “anchor points”. For example in Germany on the busy nights (fri/sat) where we’d have the (predominantly the same) local crowd, there were two songs I’d play every night at the same time. At 23:00 (place opened at 21:00 and I’d just be playing background music and making PR with the guests) I would turn off ALL the lights (including emergency lights) in the place and start two search lights while playing the helicopter intro from the album version of Pink Floyd’s ‘Just Another Brick In The Wall’. Noboby would dance til that moment, but the moment I did a light show during the rest of that track, the floor would be instantly packed. It was like a signal to the crowd “the party has started”.
At 00:00 I would do another elaborate light show during Frankie Goes To Hollywood’s ‘Two Tribes’ (some remix 12″ version or another) which signalled a picking up of the pace and got things really going. It was NEVER an issue in that regulars came and told me to change that, everyone loved it.2) What’s your DJ honor code about repeating songs (especially for internet mixes)?
I try to never repeat …… I am fully with you on this one. It kinda shows creative poverty, doesn’t it? Same place as I referenced earlier. ‘I just called to say I love you’ by Stevie Wonder was flavor of the year LOL. It got requested at least hourly all night every night. Played or not, totally irrelevant. When someone came up to me and requested it yet again, I told him I had already played it, perhaps before he came in? No, no, he had been there all night, but wanted to hear it AGAIN. I said I couldn’t play it anymore because it was broken. How did that happen he asked. I told him “like this”, laid the 7″ on the edge of my DJ booth and just slammed it in two. He left with his jaw between his knees. I then went on the mic, held up the pieces and said that by playing the song so much it had broken. I told the crowd I would get a new copy (I actually had one laying around) but I could not play it more than once a night for fear of it breaking again. So, please stop asking for it.
However, the ‘no repeat’ rule creates a dilemma …
… I can see that happening. Been a while since I made serious mixtapes (like since forever), but one of the things that worked for me back in the day was to use that immensely popular track as a kind of main thread, going in and out of it. It would be repeated several times in a mix, but just a verse here or a break there or whatever. Just 32 beats here, 8 there, acappela’s if I could find them. That way I could make a 10-minute mix that kept coming back to or was centered around the same theme, yet be able to stick in all the other songs I wanted to profit from the “fame” of the central track.
What do you guys think?
Just toy around with things, find other -less known- tracks and weave them in, having Bjork as an ‘anchor’ creating the a-ha experience while dropping in all the other stuff you want to introduce to your audience.
Greetinx,
C.June 7, 2013 at 10:03 am #41076gbadegesin
ParticipantRB75,
Djaying encompasses, Versitality, Creativity and Enjoyment.
The enjoyment part is both for your audience and for you the DJ
Chuck has made some very clever and valid points. From your post, it seems you have started getting bored of playing the same tunes over and over again.
If your library is as vast as you say, then you have the tunes only you don’t realise itI’ll give you a tip. Try to create a random playlist of 100 songs from your library. Do this for each day of the week. Now listen to the songs. I bet you will be suprised of the hidden gems you had but never played or listened to cause they were forgotten in your library
Last week, i was 110 miles away from home when a friend called and said he was having a party and if i could play for him. I said sure, as soon as i got back, i just grabbed my gear and headed off, fortunately it was not far from my crib. I had no time to plan any playlists but i knew the crowd was one i had played for before a year ago. I played from 7pm – 1am. i know for a fact that i rarely repeated a song from the gig i played for the same crowd last year , regardless, the paty was a blast.
just imagine if you played Micheal Jacksons hits alone ( this is not an advice but just an illustration), you could swing a good hour from some of his hits.In a nut shell, mix up your regular playlist with some that you have forgotten and have a swell time
June 9, 2013 at 5:36 pm #41127Rick
Participantgbadegesin, post: 41233, member: 1507 wrote: RB75,
Djaying encompasses, Versitality, Creativity and Enjoyment.
The enjoyment part is both for your audience and for you the DJ
Chuck has made some very clever and valid points. From your post, it seems you have started getting bored of playing the same tunes over and over again.
If your library is as vast as you say, then you have the tunes only you don’t realise itI’ll give you a tip. Try to create a random playlist of 100 songs from your library. Do this for each day of the week. Now listen to the songs. I bet you will be suprised of the hidden gems you had but never played or listened to cause they were forgotten in your library
Last week, i was 110 miles away from home when a friend called and said he was having a party and if i could play for him. I said sure, as soon as i got back, i just grabbed my gear and headed off, fortunately it was not far from my crib. I had no time to plan any playlists but i knew the crowd was one i had played for before a year ago. I played from 7pm – 1am. i know for a fact that i rarely repeated a song from the gig i played for the same crowd last year , regardless, the paty was a blast.
just imagine if you played Micheal Jacksons hits alone ( this is not an advice but just an illustration), you could swing a good hour from some of his hits.In a nut shell, mix up your regular playlist with some that you have forgotten and have a swell time
Yeh, Need to switch it up a bit more than I have been used to I think. The reason I asked the original question was ’cause I was never planning on doing 1 party never mind 4!! Ha Ha. I only ever wanted to do this as a hobby, so had no real need to think too much about playlists for such a long mix, and could get away with minimal playlist / crate as it was only for me. Looks like I’m gonna have to start digging through my tunes a little more than I’m used to. Thanks for all the replies!
June 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm #41141nick greek
Memberdifferent party+different people=90% different reaction. even if it is the same style of a party at a simmilar venue interacting with the crowd will tell you where to go with your mix.the requests from the newbies(top 40 requests) the requests from the more serious clubbers and the way people are dressed and react to your music selection will guide you how to continue with your mix. create multiple playlists, blend them if you need.many times i have started with tech house and finished with trance or started the same way and finished with trap and hip hop.
playing the same set is not always effective and narrows your djing skillsJune 10, 2013 at 4:39 am #41154Dizzle
ParticipantExact same set as before is definitely wack.
But if you are packing your crates with 2x-3x the amount of tunes you need to do an hour set, you can play the crate differently almost every time. If you’re playing super long sets very regularly (weekly etc) it’s pretty much impossible to play completely new tracks every time you go. -
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