DVS. What to do?
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May 20, 2013 at 6:19 pm #40559
Ess Jay
Memberslipmats don’t communicate with traktor. The needle and the control vinyl send timecode signal to your DVS box and traktor.
Just get a cheap mixer. If you are in US you can get a decent Stanton one for $30 off of one site!
and as far as TT’s go, just make sure you get direct drive
May 20, 2013 at 7:22 pm #40561Lukynumba7
MemberIs time code the sound the control vinyl makes when it hits the needle right? And on the traktor site it gives a whole bunch of mixers that are “scratch certified”. They run $1300-1700. Those just have time code recognition so you don’t need an interface right?
May 21, 2013 at 12:44 am #40567DJ Vintage
ModeratorHi,
Yep, certified mixers have built-in sound cards that can handle time-code. Might wanna look at the Denon X600 mixer.
You wouldn’t have to buy the A10, just a bare Traktor Scratch license. Officially the X600 is not certified, but is fully DVS ready (read up on the Denon product page), but it has the same sound card the X1600 has – which IS certified. Apparently you can use the X1600 driver with the X600 and it will trigger the DVS plug-in in Traktor.
It has good digital FX on board, but you can also use the FX in Traktor. Also there are some midi-assignable buttons. You could even browse through Traktor tracks.
I have it’s big brother, the X1600, with a bit more features. But if you are on a budget, this might be the mixer for you.
As far as turntables go, obviously direct drive, but have a look at the torque too. Another thing is the amount of needle pressure that can be set (with matching anti-skating). You’ll have the choice of (many) SL-1200 look-alike’s new or a set of used (get refurbished) original Technics.
Good luck & greetinx,
C.May 21, 2013 at 7:35 am #40575Terry_42
KeymasterI would look at the Reloop range of turntables. I recently tried one for a bit and they are actually pretty good value for money wise in any of their ranges (from the 1000s up to the 6000). The slipmates that come with them are decent and so are needles etc. However look into what needles you will go for later on and buy a few sets. (This will be a major investment, but you will need them…)
The reloop RMX-40 is a decent mixer and I think works with Traktor…
Prepare for a huge learning curve as everything needs to be setup right (Needle preasure, slipmats, timecode vinyls, arm movement, pitch position,….)
May 21, 2013 at 8:41 am #40579DJ Vintage
ModeratorLOL, yeah vinyl is definitely not CDs 🙂
Especially for those faint of heart who were used to less than 1 gram needle pressure and now having to turn stuff up to 3-5 grams … then forgetting that you need to set anti-skating accordingly.
Cartridges pretty much limited to Stanton or Ortofon. The latter I prefer(red) because of the unobstructed view of the needle, which made dropping it at the right place a little easier. Just be sure to carry enough spares, they will break eventually.
Greetinx,
C.May 21, 2013 at 8:48 pm #40601Terry_42
KeymasterYes while I keep the single Technics I have for sentimental value and it has some great stories to tell, somehow I do not miss turntables at all… especially since the TM4 and its excellent jogs to scratch on…
May 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm #40602DJ Vintage
ModeratorI remember glueing a coin to the shell for some extra weight in the early days … hehehehe
May 21, 2013 at 10:46 pm #40604Edgard Rivera
ParticipantLukynumba7, post: 40717, member: 1744 wrote: Is time code the sound the control vinyl makes when it hits the needle right? And on the traktor site it gives a whole bunch of mixers that are “scratch certified”. They run $1300-1700. Those just have time code recognition so you don’t need an interface right?
If you’re going with Traktor, nothing better than the Kontrol Z2 $899.00
May 22, 2013 at 6:42 am #40614Terry_42
KeymasterHeh Chuck I remember the times, glueing stuff on turntables hehe
Indeed the Z2 is a good choice. If that seems a lot of money, be ware that DVS is nothing cheap and the cost of needles, cartridges etc. will easily go up to 500 to 1000 bucks a year (that is if you actually use the gear, if you use it once a month in your bedroom costs will be considerably lower).
May 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm #40756Dayvue
MemberTerry_42, post: 40770, member: 1843 wrote: Heh Chuck I remember the times, glueing stuff on turntables hehe
Indeed the Z2 is a good choice. If that seems a lot of money, be ware that DVS is nothing cheap and the cost of needles, cartridges etc. will easily go up to 500 to 1000 bucks a year (that is if you actually use the gear, if you use it once a month in your bedroom costs will be considerably lower).
Really?? My first set of needles (Shure M44-7s) lasted an entire year, gigging one to two times a week on average…
May 29, 2013 at 6:21 am #40765DJ Vintage
ModeratorYou can certainly break anything, depending on your … uhmmm … “style”.
And certainly in the early days (talking 35+ years ago), it was very normal to go through a mountain of stylii a year.
When I worked professionally (6 nights a week for 6-8 hours depending on the club), standing order was a bi-monthly needle change. We were allowed to stretch it to 3 months if need be (I was in places where getting new gear in wasn’t always easy, like mid-80s Baghdad). I have gone stretches without breaking anything, but I have also had months with two broken needles.
5gram needle pressure and heavy back-spinning and super quick needle dropping … it CAN be killing for any needle.
Greetinx,
C.May 30, 2013 at 5:52 am #40796Dayvue
MemberChuck van Eekelen, post: 40921, member: 2756 wrote: certainly in the early days (talking 35+ years ago), it was very normal to go through a mountain of stylii a year… 5gram needle pressure and heavy back-spinning and super quick needle dropping … it CAN be killing for any needle.
Needles certainly did get abused a lot more back then! Mine mostly get used with control vinyl, so they just sit in the groove real pretty and don’t get needle dropped to different points in the song. Although 5 grams of weight does seem like a lot of weight. The standard around here is 2.5g at home and 3g at the club.
May 30, 2013 at 6:20 am #40797DJ Vintage
ModeratorLike you saw me tell Terry, in the days before SL1200s we would actually glue pennies to the shell to get more pressure LOL.
And for the 1200s I seem to remember you could buy alternate “weights” at the end of the tone arm to increase the pressure. You’d have to also tweak the anti-skating then. Bit vague but I think it was spring loaded and you got a new spring with it to replace the old one. Something like that anyway, shoot me when I am wrong.
5grams was heavy even for us, but not uncommon. 3-4 was average. Nobody really did anything under 2.5 and that was considered running light.
And yes, needle dropping with a high pressure level will surely do more damage than the usage you are describing lol.
Greetinx,
C.May 30, 2013 at 7:17 pm #40828Dayvue
MemberWell let’s just say I am glad to be a DJ of the teens of the 21st century!
Back to the OP, I really recommend finding a dj selling off an old DVS setup on CL. These often go for super-cheap and would give you a full setup for the lowest price possible while still allowing you the chance to audition the gear and learn about it from the man/woman who previously used it.
May 30, 2013 at 8:16 pm #40831DJ Hane K
ParticipantSorry for the dumb question, but.. Given all the ‘cons’ of a dvs system you guys have described, what exactly are the ‘pros’ compared, say, to a controller like the NS7/V7 or any spinning platter controller out there? Just seems like a lot of hassle for very little gain to me… But then again I’ve never had hands-on experience with dvs.
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