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May 7, 2013 at 2:33 pm #40045
jonnysimpson
ParticipantAlso I should mention that the type of music I mix is pretty much anyone that is electronic; dubstep, drum n bass, moombahton, house, electro house, commercial etc
May 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm #40063DJ Vintage
ModeratorHi,
Reading Terry’s 4-part series on PA on the blog, including what to look for when buying, is a must read for you at this point.
I will give you a real quick run down on your questions and the speakers you are looking at.
First and foremost is that in PA: You Get What You Pay For.
There is NO (no exceptions) cheap way to get it loud, great sounding and built for the road.
The QTX look like the run-of-the-mill Chinese OEM speaker. The factory makes a ton of them, several companies buy them, stick their own label on them and sell them. Those manufacturers (usually) don’t spend too much time in designing the technical end of things, nor do they bother getting top quality components. Mostly they will stick in more features than you need, meaning that money is taken away from the main purpose of a PA speaker, making good sound loud music for an extended period of time.
In this case it has a three band EQ and effectively a small mixer (you can hook up a mic I think and a stereo source, like an iPod or MP3 player). As a DJ you don’t need that. Just one input (XLR preferably, but balanced Jack will also do) and a place to stick your power cable and finally a hole that will sit your speaker on a stand. Anything more is really not necessary.
Power. It is 1400W peak, only 350W RMS each (700W total). Not bad, but you are looking at a room with max 140 people for wedding like stuff, 70 if you want it to be headbanging loud. These speakers have only one amp powering both the woofer and the high end. You really want to look at speakers that are bi-amped, i.e. that have two seperate amps built in for the low and the high end. And digital trumps analogue by a long way these days.
Trouble is, can’t get decent bi-amped, digital amp active speakers for the price you mention. So if you want to work something with that budget, there will always be trade-offs, either in power, quality or both.
Sensitivity. With manufacturers like these I have a hard time believing their numbers on sensitivity and max SPL (Sound Pressure Level). Sensitivity means the amount of sound level a speaker produces when it plays 1Watt of power, measured at 1 meter. It is a mark of the efficiency of a speaker. 101dB is a very high value, usually reserved for high end speakers, but I don’t know these, so it might be accurate. Max SPL is the amount of sound level a speaker can bring to the floor when it is running just below distorting.
Quite frankly, if you or your customers can’t afford to buy a decent PA, perhaps you should consider renting til you can buy something that suits your needs. I would not invest a dime in speakers like this, let alone adding a cheap sub. It might be loud in a living room kind of setting with 30-40 people. I am not sure about the quality at high sound levels, although I am afraid that might be something of a letdown.
Good luck with your choices & greetinx,
C.May 7, 2013 at 7:43 pm #40065jonnysimpson
ParticipantHi Chuck.
Thanks for your insightful response, you’ve answered a few of the questions in my head. I was just wondering, what makes you so skeptical of these speakers? I mean, looking at the specs of these and looking at what is ‘good’, they look pretty darn good, if not perfect for house parties/flat parties – although as you said, there’s no kidding some of that information could be fake. Is it back to your original point of getting what you pay for? i.e. do you these look too good to be true by the price they are being sold at? Do you suspect I try and find a local dealer to find out for myself physically?
At the end of the day, I’m not looking to get a full out PA. Just two active speakers like those and a subwoofer. If you could reccomend me any brands/your picks, that would be great.
Again, thanks for your time.
May 7, 2013 at 8:24 pm #40069DJ Vintage
ModeratorSure, glad to help.
At the upper end of your price range sits the Mackie TH-15a. It’s bi-amped, half digital (the 300W RMS for the lows is digital, the 100W for mid/high is class A/B). It has no frills, quite a bit has gone into designing it and Mackie does tend to use better components. The one thing it does have is a three band EQ (but one that is actually useful) with a fully sweepable mid frequency parametric EQ. Great for tweaking the sound to the room conditions.
The Thumps are available (here in Holland) for about 245 GBP each, so a pair falls right into your budget with just a little to spare towards a set of good cables and speaker stands.
For what you intend to do, these will be plenty loud with decent low end. The lows on the Thump in smaller spaces is sufficient, I would not invest in a sub (trust me, hauling it around becomes a pain REAL quick and it won’t fit in a regular car!) if you do the kind of parties you are telling me about.
In the price range up to 250 GBP each, anything else falls in the American DJ, Behringer, DB Technologies, DAP, Skytec, etc. category. Just more of the same. I have owned a pair of American DJ 15″ bi-amped (not digital) speakers for years and played many gigs with it. But I can safely say that now that I have a set of Mackie HD1221s (different price range) and I have played them side-by-side, I am almost a little embarrassed I had my customers pay for renting my gear :-).
I know all about being on a budget. But sometimes the smarter choice is to go for quality, even if that means renting not buying. With the Thumps the possible exception, I don’t see too much out there that will fit your bill. Unless you sacrifice quality and or power and go with some of the lower end brands.
You might want to check out this review:
http://www.absolutemusic.co.uk/community/entries/207-mackie-thump-th-15a-reviewGreetinx,
C.May 8, 2013 at 5:19 am #40085DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey,
Small update on my previous post. I just reread it and it says 400W RMS, that should read Peak power. So you are looking at 200RMS. My bad, sorry.
I was also reading another member’s post and he was looking at the Behringer Eurolive B215Ds. Based on specs they look slightly more powerful than the Mackie’s. In the same price range (slightly less here than the Mackies). The reviews seem to be good. I personally have never been a big Behringer fan, but I understand they have been cleaning up their act lately and their product quality has gone up a notch and so has their reliability. Again, all hearsay, have only one piece of Behringer kit (for live recording) and don’t use it very often.
But, thought I’d let you know.
Your best bet would be to listen to both speakers back to back in a music/instrument store if you can. No better judge than your own ears.
Or try to find some comparison reviews online.
Finally, the Alto TS115a seems like an interesting hi-power option. I have no experience with these whatsoever, so I am going on just specs. You’ll have to take a listen or at least google them some.
Greetinx,
C.June 16, 2013 at 8:59 am #41360jonnysimpson
ParticipantHi Chuck
Apologies for the crazy late reply, I have been quite busy with work and family. So I did some research into these products that you mentioned and it seems as though Behringer outdoes the Mackies according to a lot of people. Allegedly, they just have purely more power and fit at a more affordable price. So those I guess are what I’m fixed on at the minute.
However, I gave the Altos a search, which again seem to be quite popular on Youtube, here’s a video of a review: [media=youtube]Cms7cSDt454[/media]
Funnily enough, the same dealer on Ebay sells these – http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alto-Professional-TRUESONIC-TS115A-1600w-DJ-Disco-PA-Speaker-Kit-/140796905422?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_DJ_PA_Packages&hash=item20c82647ce – [SIZE=3]decent wattage there, 400 RMS, class D and class A/B, max power 800w. What are you thoughts about these against the Behringers? Based on price and specs, if you can.[/SIZE]All in all, do you reckon these would really excel at house parties and small venues with loud volume levels and good quality?
I appreciate the time and effort you are putting in to advise me, thanks again.
June 16, 2013 at 9:24 am #41362DJ Vintage
ModeratorI can’t really comment on that. I have not heard the Behringer’s or Alto’s “live” yet. If you have a chance, listen to them both, preferably next to each other (a pa, dj, musician, pro music shop should have them in a showroom) so you can do a good comparison. Let your ears decide. Listen to them at a few settings, something like halfway, 80-85% which would be your average for the night and run them full steam to see what happens to sound, protection systems (anti-clipping kicking in and – as important- sound coming back after protection kicking in).
I would say I like both of them better than the QTX you started out with, so I’d say you have won already :-).
Greetinx,
C.June 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm #41368David Taylor
ParticipantI have the Mackie TH15 Thumps, and have only good things to say about them. I play a mix of literally everything and have not been given any cause for complaint with them. And they are lighter than I expected. In small venues such as houses like you mention, these things pack a punch!
June 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm #41370Edwin Alvarez
Participantthose are good speakers if your on a tight budget. imo its hard to beat the EV powered series , they rock and sound super clean. you can also look at the b52 matrix series, i dunno if they have em new any longer but they used to have a pr of 8’s w a 15″ sub and another set w 10’s and an 18.
that setup sounded pretty good for the price.
June 16, 2013 at 7:53 pm #41373DJ Vintage
ModeratorCome on, guys … we started with QTX speakers at almost no money. When the choice is between Thumps (and I wholeheartedly agree with Simply Disco here) and Behringer/Alto’s, the choice is influenced by the price (B and A being cheaper than the Thumps with better spec performance). So I dare venture a guess that a decent EV set is out of budget.
Greetinx,
C.June 16, 2013 at 10:34 pm #41381Milos Djordjevic
ParticipantI own and play regularly through the Alto TS 112a’s and I have to say for the price ($300 USD a piece) they’re pretty darn good. They’re no QSC or high end JBL but working with both the Mackie Thumps and alto powdered series I’d take the Altos over thumps anyday.
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