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  • #39459
    Ess Jay
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    What equipment are you using? The more information about you, the more we can help.

    Also http://www.djtechtools.com/2013/04/14/mixing-techniques-for-djs-5-tempo-changing-techniques/
    This is an article on 5 ways to mix between large tempo changes.

    The phrasing issues you talk about, what exactly are you struggling with?

    #39465
    henley
    Participant

    you have to stick at it, relax and don’t try to force progress. i’ve been djing for 10 years now and am still learning every day. it took me 5 years until i was comfortable enough to play in front of a crowd.
    practice, practice and more practice is the key. you can read all the books and tutorials in the world, but nothing beats hands-on experience. nobody taught me anything, i learnt about beatmatching, cueing, phrasing all through trial and error (with a little basic understanding)… i figured out what sounded good/bad on my own. if it was good, i’d try it again and again. if it was bad, i’d try it again and then never again.
    if you try to run before you can walk then you’ll fall. ask yourself, do you really want to do this? or do you just think you do. you can still love and have passion for music without being a dj. if you do want it, then be prepared for it to be very hard, but also have fun with it.

    #39473
    Alex Wray
    Participant

    Ess Jay, post: 39615, member: 2540 wrote: Also http://www.djtechtools.com/2013/04/14/mixing-techniques-for-djs-5-tempo-changing-techniques/
    This is an article on 5 ways to mix between large tempo changes.

    Was just about to mention that, nice job beating me to it lol. But that article is really good. Also, don’t be too upset. You said you were playing in clubs, so you are definitely getting somewhere with your skill level. You could try mixing harmonically if you’re not already. I find this usually allows me to drop the intro vocals of one song over the bridge of another, with maybe a little filter, some effects, and it sounds pretty good most of the time. And it is good sometimes to just slam the fader across, it keeps the crowd interested

    #39479
    Rufio
    Member

    Ess Jay, post: 39615, member: 2540 wrote: What equipment are you using? The more information about you, the more we can help.

    Also http://www.djtechtools.com/2013/04/14/mixing-techniques-for-djs-5-tempo-changing-techniques/
    This is an article on 5 ways to mix between large tempo changes.

    The phrasing issues you talk about, what exactly are you struggling with?

    Im using DDJ-SX by Pioneer, I actually saw the mentioned BPM video however 3 out of the 5 transitions are doable for me. Mostly, because one is traktor specific, the other is using two versions of the same song but at different BPMs which i honestly don’t have to many same songs at different BPM’s and lastly the third requires alot of accapella’s. I was actually referring to tricks that i could use on the fly without so many restrictions. For instance a friend showed me a unique was to transition into another song.

    Heres the process:
    1.) whenever you want to transition between songs at different BPMs while maintaining fluency and cohesiveness you loop a part of the song wherever really (just as long as its on the one)
    2.) break the loop in half, then again, then again
    3.) at the same time use a LPF in conjunction with bringing another song into the mix

    I’ve used this so many times to switch over to anther song with great BPM differences but really need some more transitions to add. The only transitions im aware of are cutting, fading, spin backs and rewinds. To me there has to be more options out there.

    About phrasing im completely lost, i know that phrases go in 8,16, or 32 bars and that something new is introduced or taken away and that in order to mix properly you must start phrases on both tracks on the one. But thats all i know. Maybe you can shed more light as to why i have vocals clashing even in harmonic mixed songs.

    #39482
    Ess Jay
    Member

    As far as vocals clashing go, they are the bane of my djing life ha. You just need to know your songs and try and not mix when 2 vocals are occurring. Create loops extend intros and delay the vocals coming in, or set cue points so you can jump back to a part of the song without any vocals.

    Also, if serato has a post fader delay, just turn that on on full a few beats from where you are wanting to mix out, then pause the track, and it should give an echo freeze effect like the one in Traktor.

    As far as phrasing goes, you seem to understand it. Just try and avoid too much going on at once.

    As far as changing BPM, sometimes just grabbing a loop and increasing the BPM rapidly up (or down) to the required BPM gives a cool effect of urgency

    And worst comes to worst, I would happily take the DDJ-SX off your hands 🙂

    DJing is not all together a complicated science. Just stay with basics until it sounds decent.

    #39498
    Tommy Hear Me
    Participant

    Sounds like you have Data Overload try a break from DJing for sometime do all those other jobs you put off because you where learning how to DJ.

    Then get back into DJing and see how it works out.

    #39499
    D-Jam
    Participant

    You’re in a hurry to get to the next tune.

    Most of the time now I’m blending off the end of a tune. In the past there used to be breaks in the middle, but ever since the late 90s many producers stopped putting them in…mainly because they were tired of their music being chopped short.

    I mix usually off the last 1-2 minutes of the end of a tune. It’s enough time to not have it be bland, but not too long so you won’t run into clashes. If a tune seems to play too long, then edit it shorter somehow, but utilize that outro to get a clean blend out.

    You also need to unplug sometimes and refresh your brain. Read my tips on when you get the “saturation blues”:

    http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2012/12/online-music-buying-tips/

    #39717
    Anthony Lewis
    Participant

    The thing to remember as another person wisely said is to keep practicing. To me it sounds like you are trying to do too much at once. You need to chill and learn your music. Having a passion is also about being patient enough to learn and understand that you will make mistakes. It’s comes with learning. Learn from your mistakes. DJing is about having fun as well. Play some tunes and enjoy. Good luck and remember to breath.

    #39723
    Robby Luca
    Participant

    My answer will be vague and should help if you understand. If it’s not fun then why do you keep doing it?

    First, if your vocals clash… LEARN your music! Don’t do a transition when you shouldn’t. It’s pretty obvious… If a song doesn’t sound good together then don’t mix it. If there’s vocals overlapping then don’t mix it while there’s vocals. Common sense.

    Second, if you have a song at 130bpm and another at 70bpm, you can bring the song at 70bpm to 65bpm and it’ll beatmatch just fine. But there’s are mashups out there with songs (for example) that start at 110bpm and finish at 130bpm made on purpose so you can beatmatch your next song at 130bpm easier. (there’s a specific name for it, but I forgot what it’s called)

    Third, start with learning how to master 1 effect. Then once you mastered that, learn how to use that effect with another effect until you master it. Don’t try to do more than you can handle. When you watch guys on youtube that are always doing stuff it’s because they know exactly what they’re doing. You need to learn bit by bit. Start by making proper transitions, that’s more important than looking busy.

    Fourth, what kind of music do you play? It makes a difference. If you scratch or not or whatever.

    #39724
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Question: are you a gifted person by any chance?

    Vocals mixing: the obvious advice to NOT mix vocals is solid. If for some reason the vocals get in the way, a trick I use on occassion is mid EQ. Since vocals happen around 2-4 kHz, turning down the mids on the incoming tune will give it a karaoke feel. If you do this on a singlee song it sounds awful, but in the mix the effect gets masked because you still have the full mid range of the outgoing song, including … it”s vocals. If all else is going well, you quickly bring over the lows (down eq on outgoing up eq on incoming), then start with the vocals. Depending on the vocalsyou can do it quickly or play with it for a longer mix. It’ll be a knob turning mix but can be done.

    Big BPM difference: the first question to ask is, WHY do I want to switch tempo so dramatically. More often than not those transitions break the flow you have the audience in. cause no matter how smooth you transitioned, ghe crowd needs to start dancing to a totally different beat! Mobile DJs are forced to make some crazy moves like that and will use mic techniques to prepare the crowd for what is coming, effectively slowing the crowd down before getting them moving in a different direction again. Ifyou really want/must do it, tap delay could offer a helping hand. Make sure that you have a tapped in delay ready that is long enough to give you a few seconds of echo. Then bring the new song in (maybe from a filtered position bringing in the lows first). What you have accomplished is that the dying out echo will signal to the crowd that something is coming to an end and you bring in something new ” through the mist” so to speak.

    Tip: in the old days, you just had records and a flat mixer. DJs managed to get crowds moving then. Sure the crowds have gotten more demanding, but in the end it is still musical selection that will make or break a night, no matter how skillfully mixed. I have seen trainwrecks at great nights and I have had flawless nights that were dead as a doornail.

    Others said it already, but allow me to drill the point home: don’t focus on the technology too much, enjoy and use what you can with confidence. I have 35 years of DJ-ing on me and have never made a serious mashup ( well not consciously anyway :-)) But I have made my audiences happy most of the time and sent people home after a night of enjoying themselves. What they’ll remember is having danced all night to great music in a flow. Very few will remenber the transitions, the effects and yes even the occassional trainwreck.

    Good luck buddie, your in school for life. Just make sure you enjoy the journey not just the destination.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    #39769
    Rufio
    Member

    Chuck van Eekelen, post: 39880, member: 2756 wrote: Question: are you a gifted person by any chance?

    Vocals mixing: the obvious advice to NOT mix vocals is solid. If for some reason the vocals get in the way, a trick I use on occassion is mid EQ. Since vocals happen around 2-4 kHz, turning down the mids on the incoming tune will give it a karaoke feel. If you do this on a singlee song it sounds awful, but in the mix the effect gets masked because you still have the full mid range of the outgoing song, including … it”s vocals. If all else is going well, you quickly bring over the lows (down eq on outgoing up eq on incoming), then start with the vocals. Depending on the vocalsyou can do it quickly or play with it for a longer mix. It’ll be a knob turning mix but can be done.

    Big BPM difference: the first question to ask is, WHY do I want to switch tempo so dramatically. More often than not those transitions break the flow you have the audience in. cause no matter how smooth you transitioned, ghe crowd needs to start dancing to a totally different beat! Mobile DJs are forced to make some crazy moves like that and will use mic techniques to prepare the crowd for what is coming, effectively slowing the crowd down before getting them moving in a different direction again. Ifyou really want/must do it, tap delay could offer a helping hand. Make sure that you have a tapped in delay ready that is long enough to give you a few seconds of echo. Then bring the new song in (maybe from a filtered position bringing in the lows first). What you have accomplished is that the dying out echo will signal to the crowd that something is coming to an end and you bring in something new ” through the mist” so to speak.

    Tip: in the old days, you just had records and a flat mixer. DJs managed to get crowds moving then. Sure the crowds have gotten more demanding, but in the end it is still musical selection that will make or break a night, no matter how skillfully mixed. I have seen trainwrecks at great nights and I have had flawless nights that were dead as a doornail.

    Others said it already, but allow me to drill the point home: don’t focus on the technology too much, enjoy and use what you can with confidence. I have 35 years of DJ-ing on me and have never made a serious mashup ( well not consciously anyway :)) But I have made my audiences happy most of the time and sent people home after a night of enjoying themselves. What they’ll remember is having danced all night to great music in a flow. Very few will remenber the transitions, the effects and yes even the occassional trainwreck.

    Good luck buddie, your in school for life. Just make sure you enjoy the journey not just the destination.

    Greetinx,
    C.

    Thanks very much for the clarification and helpful tips, i found your email very useful to my problems. Parts of your message were revelations for me and others just nailed down the preconceived knowledge. Thanks again.

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