Personal Opinions on Sync Button
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March 26, 2013 at 6:58 am #38346
NietzSKY
ParticipantP.S.- Skrillex would still never be booked by me, because you have to do more than pre-record your sets into ableton and make varying blender-having-a-malfunction noises. I’m not talking about wannabe-dj-producers (Mr Mau5 and Skrillex), but guys who utilize these tools to remix-on-the-fly or create 100% live performances
March 26, 2013 at 8:24 am #38353Terry_42
KeymasterAll of it are tools. Either you can create magic through your passion and love for music or not.
When I transitioned from vinyl to CDJs and later to controllers, my workflow actually stayed the same. Yes I expanded, first through new effects, CDJ had loops (uh yeah), better mixers and now everything you can do with controllers.
I played with the sync button a bit, but honestly, I cannot remember when I last used it. Take a look at my TM4 and you can prolly see by the rubber on the transport buttons that this is the only button looking brand new.But this is my workflow. If you press the sync button every 2 seconds and your set will make me dance, then you have a winner. I do not care and never will care about the tools you use to make me dance and enjoy the night. What I do care about however is those elitist DJs who think they are better because of their skills, that then present a mix which makes me want to listen to my iTunes Genius DJ, because the damn machine has better music selection….
March 26, 2013 at 11:54 am #38359J-Zed
ParticipantI’ve said it before, I’ll say it again… On any machine that displays the BPM, matching two tracks up is the easiest part of DJing. If DJ Sneak wants to whine about it on Twitter, he can go ahead. I will freely laugh in the face of anyone who says sync is cheating, I barely even use it unless I’m going 3 decks or more but I find it hilarious when CDJ guys complain about controllerists, saying we’re taking the easy way out as if it makes a difference to the audience.
March 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm #38360Daryl Northrop
ParticipantGood points all around. For me, I try to look at it from the club-goers point of view. 99.9% of the audience usually isn’t a DJ, even with the “everyone is a DJ” trend going on nowadays. Will they realize who is manually beat matching vs sync’ing? No. Will they care? Probably not. Most are there to hear cool music and have a good time.
This whole sync vs sync=satan is raging within DJ realms, which is fine. There’s always debate within art communities.
Now, I’m all for expanding your skill set and doing finger drumming, manual drumming, scratching, live-remixing, etc etc etc. (no cake throwing, please). But I view the sync button as just another tool.
March 26, 2013 at 5:11 pm #38362Ess Jay
MemberI never saw the argument against using sync, before I bought some crappy TT’s and tried mixing vinyl.
God I am back at square 1.
And yes I am from a drumming back ground, and still find it hard when the needle jumps, and the tracks aren’t a constant Bpm.
But to be honest, my mixing sounds much better using my s2 and (not using the button) but visually adjusting the tempo faders so the numbers match, in essence syncing.
March 26, 2013 at 6:04 pm #38367Bojan Ljukovcanin
ParticipantTo be honest here,my opinion on the sync button pretty much is the same as everyone elses here,It’s a tool to be used if you need it and when you need it.I will often use the sync button when im doing 4 deck performance or live remixing heck i’ll even use it when im doing just two deck mixing,granted i’ll try and get the tracks tight as i can by my self manualy but if i ain’t satisfied with it i’ll hit the sync just to make sure it’s tight as can be.This whole sync-no sync argument within the DJ scene is pointless and if you actually stop and think about it very very dumb.Scracth DJs won’t use it and so far they’re the loudest to complaign about it,i say shut up and live with it,use it if you want if not then i don’t care what you do,remap the button,key it,i don’t care just shut up about it.
My 2 cents.Sorry if i came off a bit harsh.
March 26, 2013 at 10:16 pm #38380Alex Wray
ParticipantI pretty much agree with Terry. Its a tool to be used. That being said, I’m learning to manually beatmatch and saving the sync as a “emergency big red button” sort of thing, but i do like to make use of the remix decks, hotcues etc, as well as the EQ tweaking
March 27, 2013 at 3:31 pm #38424D-Jam
ParticipantNietzSKY, post: 38501, member: 4553 wrote: So was talking to a DJ friend, and he was telling me how he’s got a show coming up where controllers are banned because of the sync button.
I could hook up timecode on relative positioning and use sync without someone knowing unless they’re looking at my laptop.
So they might go ban laptops then and require only analog music. I say “good luck” then if the popular acts are all using sync and the “keep it real” guys are not drawing crowds.
The reality of life is that this is a business, and if the masses of people in front of the DJ booth could care less, then the anti-sync guys have lost this war. If their events struggle to get a crowd while other events do not, then they either need to adapt or die.
Those guys who ban controllers, ban laptops, require vinyl-only DJs, etc. They’re making a cardinal mistake in event promoting. They’re throwing the event for themselves, not the mass market.
Sync is a tool. Plain and simple. Musicians have had sequencers for decades, and if a DJ thinks beatmatching is the primary ideology of DJing, then he/she has really missed what this is all about. The winners in this world are the ones who wow the crowd with great music selection, imagination, creativity, connection, and charisma. A guy who plays amazing tunes, does some brilliant live remixing, and makes the crowd hang on his every beat…despite he’s using sync…will go further than the guy who still buys analog vinyl and seemingly won’t take things further than A-to-B mixing. Worse if he seems to value his musical taste over the crowd in front of him…thus he clears floors.
I mentioned in the 2013 Resolutions for DJs that it’s time to bury the hatchet between the analog-only guys and digital. It’s done and over. Conventions like NAMM have loads of new controllers and software, and I’m seeing less turntables and CDJs. More new DJs are going straight to digital. In my opinion there might be niche crowds of “analog only”, but the mass market isn’t ever going to one day massively reject digital.
March 27, 2013 at 8:47 pm #38430Alex Wray
ParticipantD-Jam, post: 38580, member: 3 wrote:
The reality of life is that this is a business, and if the masses of people in front of the DJ booth could care less, then the anti-sync guys have lost this war…Sync is a tool. Plain and simple…I mentioned in the 2013 Resolutions for DJs that it’s time to bury the hatchet between the analog-only guys and digital. It’s done and over.
Now if we could just get this attitude about Mac vs. PC
March 27, 2013 at 8:56 pm #38432D-Jam
ParticipantAlex Wray, post: 38586, member: 4521 wrote: Now if we could just get this attitude about Mac vs. PC
I’m a PC guy. Strangely enough I never seem to encounter the problems many claim to have with PCs and Windows.
March 27, 2013 at 9:22 pm #38433Alex Wray
ParticipantD-Jam, post: 38588, member: 3 wrote: I’m a PC guy. Strangely enough I never seem to encounter the problems many claim to have with PCs and Windows.
Its more of the ” If youre not using _________, then youre a complete poser” idea. Ive done sets on Vista, 7, and OSX. They’re all 75% the same
March 28, 2013 at 8:52 am #38459Richard Driver
Participantbeatmatching is a skill that is required. point blank, bar none, do not pass go and collect $200 bucks. resason being allot of clubs wont let you bring on a controller. Did a gig here in my home town and last min was told i have to only use cdjs. i dont have live or scratch just serato dj so did i turn down the gig? nopee, transferred my set list to 5 cds and took it back to the old school. no lappy, just me and my headphones with the cds. I banged it out with-out a hiccup. point is, fundamentals are fundamental lol.
March 28, 2013 at 10:21 am #38462Terry_42
KeymasterI actually did a MS sponsored event and used a new Fujitsu Win8 Convertible for it, that they lend me. Worked like a charm… Although I still like my Mac as I am just used to the OS, I do not think there is much wrong with either. There is just a lot more cheap and bad hardware for Windows, but that is not the OSes fault and that Fujitsu I used also costs above 1500 bucks…
March 28, 2013 at 1:46 pm #38469aaron altar
ParticipantIt’s possible your friend misunderstood the reasoning behind the controller ban and they just don’t want to complicate the switchovers. If every dj uses the same equipment things are lot easier for the promoter and there is little risk of interruption.
March 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm #38472D-Jam
ParticipantDj R. driver, post: 38615, member: 5499 wrote: beatmatching is a skill that is required. point blank, bar none, do not pass go and collect $200 bucks. resason being allot of clubs wont let you bring on a controller. Did a gig here in my home town and last min was told i have to only use cdjs. i dont have live or scratch just serato dj so did i turn down the gig? nopee, transferred my set list to 5 cds and took it back to the old school. no lappy, just me and my headphones with the cds. I banged it out with-out a hiccup. point is, fundamentals are fundamental lol.
I agree with learning beatmatching for when the sync fails you or when you can’t use your setup. However, I don’t like it when promoters or clubs try to play this “limitation” thing. The reason is they only limit themselves. So if they are staunchly anti-laptop, but the new hot act in town is a laptop mashup king…their competition will win because they will book them.
In my eyes this all comes back to how many heads you bring in. If a “keepin it real” night at one club is empty, partially empty, or a sausagefest…then they’ll lose to the “as long as it works” event that perhaps brought out new talent and pandered to women.
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