Ear buds and hearing damage
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March 24, 2013 at 6:53 am #38272
Bojan Ljukovcanin
ParticipantActually surprisingly i found a few studies on this that say earbuds do more damage to your hearing then being next to the speakers at a rave.Best things for listening to music period if you wanna save your ears are headphones and the knoledge of how and when to turn down the volume.We all love loud music but if it’s too loud no matter through what you listen to it,you’ll get hearing damage.
March 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm #38282Nick Powers
ParticipantYeah, I have heard that too, do you have any ideas for what else I could do for listening to music when I’m in public?
losing my hearing is one of my biggest fears lolMarch 24, 2013 at 9:36 pm #38288Bojan Ljukovcanin
ParticipantIt’s one of the biggest fears of every DJ.And as for listening to music in public,i duno,i just one of the many spare headphones i have,headphones strike me as the only alternative to earbuds really,there’s not much technology developments and breakthroughs in this area,which honestly is a real shame.
March 24, 2013 at 10:00 pm #38291Nick Powers
Participantyea agreed, I will probably get low profile headphones or something like that
March 25, 2013 at 9:13 pm #38332Maximlee
BlockedThe Black Rag, post: 38428, member: 7330 wrote: Actually surprisingly i found a few studies on this that say earbuds do more damage to your hearing then being next to the speakers at a rave.Best things for listening to music period if you wanna save your ears are headphones and the knoledge of how and when to turn down the volume.We all love loud music but if it’s too loud no matter through what you listen to it,you’ll get hearing damage.
its not loud music its disortion… if its in the red its disortion… alll mussic nowadays is slighly disorted as its mastered that hard. alll djs play in the red.. its fu”ked even before its left the player
March 26, 2013 at 1:01 am #38340Bojan Ljukovcanin
ParticipantMaximlee, post: 38488, member: 2165 wrote: its not loud music its disortion… if its in the red its disortion… alll mussic nowadays is slighly disorted as its mastered that hard. alll djs play in the red.. its fu”ked even before its left the player
>.> as a hardstyle man i take big offence to this,while distortion is present in music it is often far more ear friendly then you portray.
On a side note learn about presures,it’s not distortion that kills your hearing though it does assist in it,it’s the decibel presure build up from the presure waves.Sound,any sound,is essentially just a presure wave traveling through air at a serten frequency that we identify as a serten sound.Distortion aids the degredation of hearing but it self on it’s own has an almost negligable effect.
March 26, 2013 at 8:55 pm #38372NewportDJ Drew
Participant115 dB 11.2 Pa 0.46875 minutes (~30 sec)
112 dB 7.96 Pa 0.9375 minutes (~1 min)
109 dB 5.64 Pa 1.875 minutes (< 2 min)
106 dB 3.99 Pa 3.75 minutes (< 4 min)
103 dB 2.83 Pa 7.5 minutes
100 dB 2.00 Pa 15 minutes
97 dB 1.42 Pa 30 minutes
94 dB − − − − − − − − − − 1.00 Pa − − − − − − 1 hour − − − − − − − − − − − − − −
91 dB 0.71 Pa 2 hours
88 dB 0.50 Pa 4 hours
85 dB 0.36 Pa 8 hours
82 dB 0.25 Pa 16 hoursMarch 26, 2013 at 9:00 pm #38373NewportDJ Drew
ParticipantHere is a guide to SPL dB levels (at the ear) and how long before damage occurs.
Note: Rule of thumb-For every 3db increase listening time is ~halved.
115 dB 0.46875 minutes (~30 sec)
112 dB 0.9375 minutes (~1 min)
109 dB 1.875 minutes (< 2 min)
106 dB 3.75 minutes (< 4 min)
103 dB 7.5 minutes
100 dB 15 minutes
97 dB 30 minutes
94 dB 1 hour
91 dB 2 hours
88 dB 4 hours
85 dB 8 hours
82 dB 16 hoursMarch 26, 2013 at 9:32 pm #38377Nick Powers
Participanthow loud are various gigs? Like a club, bar, house party, etc. and is there a difference?
March 26, 2013 at 10:21 pm #38381DJ Vintage
ModeratorThink the official level here (in Holland) for concerts is 103dB at 10 meters from the FoH (Front of House) stack of speakers.
Since the sound level drops by 6dB for every doubling of the distance (or increases 6dB for every halving), you can easily calculate that at 5m it is 109, at 2 1/2m it is 115 and at about 1 m it is 121. A whopping 18dB over only 9 meter distance. Fyi: 10dB increase is perceived by the human ear as being TWICE as loud!
As you can tell from the table above, if you are one meter from the speakers in this case you can stay there safely (i.e. without earplugs) for … well not at all really. At 120dB we are in the pain zone. At 10m you can stay for 7,5 minute..
Regular, off the shelf, earplugs usually attenuate between 15 and 25 dB depending on the frequency.
So, for safe calculation: stand at least 10m from the speakers, wear -15dB earplugs and you’ll be safe for 4 HOURS!
Trust me, it is stupid to go to a concert, party, festival, anything without some serious ear protection. Like many in the industry I have Tinnitus, not very bad, but it is there every day all day. Also, according to my latest audiogram, I have the hearing of a person 15 years older than I actually am (and I am 49).
And the nasty thing is, you might not notice til way later in your life what damage was done at a younger age.
You get better comfort and better (flatter) frequency response if you get some custom earplugs. These are a lot more expensive, but then again, what is it worth to keep your ears intact?
Greetinx,
C.March 27, 2013 at 2:48 am #38395Bojan Ljukovcanin
ParticipantTo be honest as far as hearing damage headphones are the nicests thing for your ears.nicer then even nature,i’ve had headphones on every day for the past 18 years,and im 22 this year.I went to have my hearing checked,i’ve got the hearing of a 16 year old.
March 27, 2013 at 4:34 am #38403Alex Wray
ParticipantChuck van Eekelen, post: 38537, member: 2756 wrote:
Trust me, it is stupid to go to a concert, party, festival, anything without some serious ear protection. Like many in the industry I have Tinnitus, not very bad, but it is there every day all day. Also, according to my latest audiogram, I have the hearing of a person 15 years older than I actually am (and I am 49).And the nasty thing is, you might not notice til way later in your life what damage was done at a younger age.
You get better comfort and better (flatter) frequency response if you get some custom earplugs. These are a lot more expensive, but then again, what is it worth to keep your ears intact?
Greetinx,
C.V-Moda Faders Musicians earplugs. -12dB across full spectrum, without muting sounds, it just lowers everything. $20 retail, maybe 15 on ebay
Here’s the official website
March 27, 2013 at 5:03 am #38404Nick Powers
ParticipantI have etymotic research e20s, I am pretty sure they lower like 20 or 30 db no matter what frequency. I haven’t had a gig yet unfortunately but I have put them in while drumming as loud as I can ( sorry neighbors lol) and I was comfortable the whole time
March 27, 2013 at 7:20 am #38407DJ Vintage
ModeratorThe Black Rag, post: 38551, member: 7330 wrote: To be honest as far as hearing damage headphones are the nicests thing for your ears.nicer then even nature,i’ve had headphones on every day for the past 18 years,and im 22 this year.I went to have my hearing checked,i’ve got the hearing of a 16 year old.
Good for you! The only thing they can’t see now is to what extend you’ll develop tinnitus. That usually doesn’t start showing it’s ugly head til your late 30s, early 40s.
The fact that you are aware of the risks means you will take better care than most of your age which is a good thing!
Greetinx,
C.March 27, 2013 at 10:12 am #38417Terry_42
KeymasterNick Powers, post: 38560, member: 2466 wrote: I have etymotic research e20s, I am pretty sure they lower like 20 or 30 db no matter what frequency. I haven’t had a gig yet unfortunately but I have put them in while drumming as loud as I can ( sorry neighbors lol) and I was comfortable the whole time
Those etymotic are awesome I use them too. Work like a charm and are flat through all frequencies. No better earplug that I know of, I did not test the V-Moda however.
Yes be aware of the risk, know your db scale (and that it is not linear!) and know when to tune down.
Even when DJing I often pull my headphones over both ears even when nothing is playing on the cue, but it isolates more if the sound guy went crazy… -
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