Considering Cubase, any Thoughts?
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December 1, 2012 at 10:43 am #32981
Terry_42
KeymasterCubase is excellent.
It is just that ableton s workflow caters more to some DJs and hence it is used a lot by them.
I personally also prefer Logic and do most of my production work there…December 1, 2012 at 6:23 pm #32989NietzSKY
ParticipantThank you for the heads-up Terry. Would you be able to explain how the workflow caters better to some DJs? Learning GUIs won`t be an issue, so I`m not too worried about ease-of-use, only versatility and effect options. Also, what made you personally choose Logic over the competitors?
December 2, 2012 at 1:24 am #32997Maximlee
BlockedNietzSKY, post: 33129, member: 4553 wrote: Hey guys, I hear a great deal of hype about Ableton (after watching various tutorial videos it seems the hype is legit) and FL Studio, but I don’t hear too much these days about Reaper, Cubase, etc. While I have composed music (my “production” software was Sibelius 5, and I only used it in a strict notation-composition sense, with traditional instruments), I know very little about the electronic aspects of composition.
While I anticipate a great deal of relativist answers (use the software you feel comfortable with, it’s the creativity that matters, etc.) I’m curious as to where, in terms of software, Cubase succeeds or fails in comparison with Ableton. The reason I ask is that I was offered a copy of Cubase for a steal, and was curious as to whether it will only be a temporary investment while I save for Ableton or whether it has the capacity to make me “feel at home” in terms of production. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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yeah Cusbase is excellent but its not for newbies… its by far got the steepest learning curve. Personal i would recommend fruit loops or reason if your starting out. They are such creative programs… you can get ideas out really quickly and start developing ure style. Making music is about having fun and enjoying it.
December 2, 2012 at 4:18 am #33001Anonymous
InactiveCubase is a far more deep DAW than Ableton Live.
December 3, 2012 at 9:57 am #33037softcore
MemberI’ll agree to the opinions implied – You cant go wrong with Cubase (and I dont even use it so dont count me as a “fanboy”). Its a proper DAW – not that Live isnt, but anyways its more production-centric than Live will ever be! 😉
And generally speaking, I do not agree with the idea that a noob-beginner should start on FL Studio or Live or whatever the “easier” choice “seems” to be. My logic is different: learn a proper, fully-fledged DAW and you ‘ll never have to re-learn anything or adopt your workflow. If you learn your way around on any of the “majors” (Cubase, Sonar, Samplitude, Logic, Pro-Tools) then ANY DAW on the market will be easy for you to pick up.
Trying it the other way around (starting from a “user-friendly” DAW), when time comes to move on you ‘ll have hard time to adjust to the new worklfows.
And frankly, I really dont believe FL Studio or Ableton Live are anymore user friendly than other DAWs – they just have a different workflow and they just make that initial “how do I make a sound with this” step easier – the rest is still as hard as any other DAW.December 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm #33061Anonymous
InactiveYes, what happens with Live use (and I’m one of them) is to re-assemble loops together with lots of automation. Kind of cool but the originality level drops down compared with learning a real DAW and recording tracks yourself. Live has mediocre editing facilities for MIDI and audio compared with other DAWs out there.
December 4, 2012 at 12:40 am #33088Maximlee
Blockedsoftcore, post: 33193, member: 243 wrote: I’ll agree to the opinions implied – You cant go wrong with Cubase (and I dont even use it so dont count me as a “fanboy”). Its a proper DAW – not that Live isnt, but anyways its more production-centric than Live will ever be! 😉
And generally speaking, I do not agree with the idea that a noob-beginner should start on FL Studio or Live or whatever the “easier” choice “seems” to be. My logic is different: learn a proper, fully-fledged DAW and you ‘ll never have to re-learn anything or adopt your workflow. If you learn your way around on any of the “majors” (Cubase, Sonar, Samplitude, Logic, Pro-Tools) then ANY DAW on the market will be easy for you to pick up.
Trying it the other way around (starting from a “user-friendly” DAW), when time comes to move on you ‘ll have hard time to adjust to the new worklfows.
And frankly, I really dont believe FL Studio or Ableton Live are anymore user friendly than other DAWs – they just have a different workflow and they just make that initial “how do I make a sound with this” step easier – the rest is still as hard as any other DAW.alot good points as usually softcore…. but there is no question that cubase is nails to a beginner. i bet you if you put two people that had never made music. one in front of cubase and the other reason…by the end of day the reason user would have something 10times better than cubase user.
December 4, 2012 at 7:59 am #33104softcore
MemberAgreed….Its by the end of the week that changes everything! 😉
Frankly as a beginner, I was somewhat dissapointed when the DAW I was experimenting with was easy – because with this stuff, “easy” often means “guiding”, means “hey I didnt want THIS sound, but it came out oh so easily”….”I just pressed these buttons, tweaked these knobs, and here it is – its not what I had in mind, but it will do”….What happens next, is that you have the hard realisation that its STILL hard to get the sound out of YOUR head into YOUR speakers – and at this, no DAW is easy! Not even the so called user friendly ones!Oh! And another thing! Dont get me wrong – Im not bashing on ANY DAW software! Use what you feel comfortable with – I would never bash any music making software based on my own preferences – its just that I wouldnt advice a beginner to judge what to use by following the “its easier” route!
My no1 advice for anyone looking to dabble
with production(I hate this word), wants to MAKE MUSIC….must first realise how hard it used to be a few decades ago – you needed to invest time and money, be able to play an instrument, know how to write scores etc etc. If you think a proper DAW is hard to get around, maybe you really have to re-define what making music is and how it should be! 😉 Philosophically speaking! 😉December 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm #33133Anonymous
InactiveUsually if it’s easy to make music the result is boring music. I could easily make 20+ tracks an evening in Ableton Live but it does not mean that the result is interesting.
December 9, 2012 at 9:23 am #33296_JB_
ParticipantMaximlee, post: 33153, member: 2165 wrote: yeah Cusbase is excellent but its not for newbies… its by far got the steepest learning curve.
That might be true, but one thing I gotta hand to Steinberg, the creators of cubase. Fifteen years ago I played my ass off with Cubase on the Atari ST. And very recently I tried one of the newest versions, and after the initial suffering with setting up the devices and routes, I was amazed how much of the original workflow was still there and how intuitively that allowed me to work on all the new digital features.
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