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  • #30657
    softcore
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    I think it all depends on the way you want to express yourself with music! Is it going to be strictly electronic-experimental stuff or is it going to be a more traditional approach? Knowing music theory, for me, is the equivalent of knowing the names of colors and what colors mix well and which dont: you can still draw a nice drawing if you don’t know how red is called – and you can tell if two colors mix well together even if you dont know their names. Of course, knowing music theory, can help you because you will know beforehand which two colors mix well!!! And of course, knowing music theory means you dont search for green for days: you know it can be created by mixing blue and yellow. On the other hand, production courses and all that is like knowing what pencil or tool to choose to draw your drawing – its more about the techniques, the technicalities involved.

    Especially then, for electronic – dance – music, there is no need, I believe to learn anything more than the basics of music theory because EDM is not structured around complicated melodies and chord progressions. In that sense, you’d be better off to study more about digital sound processing, sound engineering and the likes – EDM is based a lot in the “mangling of sound” with sampling, re-sampling, effects and all that.

    So, long story short, theory or technology – it depends on what you want to achieve! Personally, I chose the technology-engineering path and just learnt only the basics of music theory.

    😉

    #30661
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It does not hurt to learn music theory but it’s mostly to open up the ears about all the possibilities and expand the way you write music so you sound interesting. I like the Frank Zappa approach, he did a lot of self-studies himself and got to a high degree of proficiency just by the sheer force of his intellect and curiosity and especially his openness to experiment. It’s more about the possibilities and less about learning odd names for scales or finger techniques.

    Anyway, you could learn a lot from YouTube, it’s so easy to become a producer today thanks to this and similar web resources. However if you really want to bubble up from all the wannabe producers all sounding the same, you need to be unique and be willing to experiment. I don’t think we need another DeadMau5 or David Guetta.

    Another way to tackle this is to set a goal to make a track similar to something else you like. You learn a lot from this process, such as analyzing tracks, what are the parts, the sounds, the techniques and so on. That and about 1000 hours of studio time or so. If anyone claims they learned to produce tracks in 10 hours or even 100, I doubt it very much myself (most likely boasting.)

    #30672
    Rob Arran
    Member

    From reading your post I can see two of the qualities you have to enable you to overcome any fears you have about not being ‘classically trained’. Time and Passion, these two alone will get you where you want to be.
    You are in a very similar situation to myself (sounds like you have more time than I do though 🙂 lucky you !) Here is what I have done to date :-

    Selected the best DAW I could afford (Reaper) and searched the net for resources, there are loads out there to get you going.
    Took the online course from http://ohdratdigital.com/ which perfectly matches up with Reaper, this is a great foundation course and will teach you loads of stuff on track production from start to finish. Chris, the chap who runs it, is excellent at delivering the information you need to know whilst avoiding the ‘fluff’ and is only an email away if you have any specific questions, he responds quickly too which is great !
    I’ve also started reading on music production/theory and, like yourself, have no theory training whatsoever so I started with ‘Music Theory for Dummies’ and http://www.completemusicproducer.com/

    All the above cost less than £150 and have enabled me to start producing tracks, Im no where near good enough yet but we all have to start somewhere !
    Drop me a private message if you need any more advice or have any concerns 🙂 Its always nice to know there are people out there in a similar position.

    #30710
    DJ Menno
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    I would say learn the chords. As a guitarist and singer, I’ve learnt to play the chords to sing along while I play guitar, and that has been an eye-opener (should I say ear-opener ? 🙂 ). I have a Am chord, what comes next ? In my head I know how Dm, C or G are gonna sound versus an Am. It’s intuitive. And I think that’s the “easiest” way to approach music writing with a keyboard. Don’t even bother to learn all the chords and tonalities, just keep it in the C tonality. Ableton can transpose it for you nowadays. But knowing which type of harmony sounds good with another is a precious tool for composing.

    Don’t wanna boast, but very often I think a song mixes good with another one, load it, only to find out that it has the same tonality. My intuition does that for me, because it recognises the harmony and makes me wanna hear a song that matches this harmony, without me being really conscious about it.

    Maybe start looking for chords of songs you like, and play them on a midi keyboard. The basic chords fingering on a piano is easy to learn on any solfegis website, and in EDM and commercial music the chords are not Mozart-like, they’re very simple (unless you’re into jazz…hih)i. It’s always gonna be around the Am, C, G and F chords, which is the basic of rock / blues and folkloric music.

    Thinking of it, Solfegis is an excellent software for learning music, if you’ve got time to spend, and something like 20 bucks on your credit card, go for it, that’ll get you a long way.

    Good luck, keep the passion burning 🙂

    #30718
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I also recommend chord studies. Listen to old Motown R&B tracks, chord progressions are bliss. For example, What Becomes of The Broken Hearted. Wow. If EDM producers learned this they would write general hits. Actually, if you listen to the Swedish producers, me thinks their strength is indeed in chord progressions driving the melody.

    #31165
    Reason808
    Participant

    You’re already one step ahead of the game by thinking about theory.
    Too many begginning DJs / Producers think in terms of loops and the technical side of production.
    Avoid that trap.

    #31246
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    learn musical theory. you need to know the basics…

    #31272
    Mike Check
    Member

    I see a lot of EDM music where it’s great technical production but musically it’s amateur. I usually chalk this up to the producer not understanding theory, song composition, etc.

    Not understanding theory will be a career limiting move as a producer. If you have a great ear for music, which isn’t as common as you may think, you might be able to stumble your way through creating a song but it’ll require a ton of trial & error. Also you might find yourself in the trap of writing songs that sound the same because you are basing your musical knowledge on experience and not the ability to envision something that sounds great. The other thing with EDM is that at a certain point most producers want to work with vocalists. Vocalists are musicians and theory is the language of music & needed so that you can effectively communicate.

    If you’re just getting into production I’d dedicate equal time to technical proficiency & musical theory. Probably the best way to pick up theory is w/ an instrument & keys is a good choice (plus you have a MIDI keyboard already).

    #31580
    Dirty Hippie
    Member

    Thank you for all of the advice. I actually picked up a keyboard with more keys and started taking some piano lessons online. I already see the difference. I have the advantage of good technical knowledge, so I am focusing on learning music theory. I am noticing an improvement in my DJing as a result. And Mike, it is interesting that you brought up “having an ear”. I always thought that I did, and perhaps I do because as I learn on the piano I hear the music differently as far as the song elements complimenting each other, how build ups lead into the drop by going up or down in scale, etc.

    I am trying to make bad news into a good thing. I am losing my job in early December. Our contract ends and we have very little work. Thankfully my wife is willing to be my sugar mamma for a bit and allow me time to pursue other options with my DJing and during the week I will really be focusing on making tracks between practice sessions. I am thinking about blogging my progress as I go, so I will post info when that comes if anyone is interested in reading about a production noob’s journey.

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