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  • #30577
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Maybe it’s time to re-define what the term DJ means. To start with not walking away from the booth.

    #30578
    DJ Stone Crazy
    Participant

    Kent Sandvik, post: 30733, member: 3967 wrote: Maybe it’s time to re-define what the term DJ means. To start with not walking away from the booth.

    I’ll be honest. That’s the problem I have, folks walking away from the booth.

    #30580
    Paul Craigen
    Participant

    Well alot of mobile dj’s cannot beatmatch if their life depended on it, so just running a playlist and walking away suits them as it leaves time to chat on phone and other things, now i can accept this kind of dj’ing if it’s top 40, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s music being played, but when they play EDM music and do not make an attempt to beatmatch then i really do question whether they are a proper dj who can beatmatch and phrasematch. I started off dj’ing as a hobby playing trance, happy hardcore and other EDM genres and learned to beatmatch and phrasematch, then i started doing mobile gigs and when i do my mobile gigs i never move from my laptop and controller as i use traktor and always have to load the next track…..i do my best to mix or blend 60’s, 70’s and any other non EDM music, but when i do play some EDM i sure as hell show off my mixing skills to show my audience that i am a proper dj who can mix tracks and not just do easy things like blending and cutting or even worse using an automated playlist………mobile dj’s who just play a playlist should in my opinion not be paid as much as us dj’s who can mix properly and put on a good show for their customers.
    I really don’t care if a dj has spent thousands of pounds on an awesome sound system and light show, if he or she can’t beatmatch and phrasematch then in my eyes they are not a pro dj….letting a laptop play through a playlist is not dj’ing it’s exactly what it is…..PLAYING music from an automated PLAYLIST.

    #30581
    DJ Stone Crazy
    Participant

    DJ Psychotrance, post: 30736, member: 3792 wrote: Well alot of mobile dj’s cannot beatmatch if their life depended on it, so just running a playlist and walking away suits them as it leaves time to chat on phone and other things, now i can accept this kind of dj’ing if it’s top 40, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s music being played, but when they play EDM music and do not make an attempt to beatmatch then i really do question whether they are a proper dj who can beatmatch and phrasematch. I started off dj’ing as a hobby playing trance, happy hardcore and other EDM genres and learned to beatmatch and phrasematch, then i started doing mobile gigs and when i do my mobile gigs i never move from my laptop and controller as i use traktor and always have to load the next track…..i do my best to mix or blend 60’s, 70’s and any other non EDM music, but when i do play some EDM i sure as hell show off my mixing skills to show my audience that i am a proper dj who can mix tracks and not just do easy things like blending and cutting or even worse using an automated playlist………mobile dj’s who just play a playlist should in my opinion not be paid as much as us dj’s who can mix properly and put on a good show for their customers.
    I really don’t care if a dj has spent thousands of pounds on an awesome sound system and light show, if he or she can’t beatmatch and phrasematch then in my eyes they are not a pro dj….letting a laptop play through a playlist is not dj’ing it’s exactly what it is…..PLAYING music from an automated PLAYLIST.

    What ticked a bartender off was one of the two calling themselves a DJ.

    #30586
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    It largely depends on the event and venue. I would not consider hiring a DJ that is only using the iTunes DJ to fade between songs.
    But for example at a wedding, when you play your “dinner music” while everyone is eating (sometimes including you) then I have put my DJ software on “automix” while eating or when I need to run to the bathroom etc.
    Of course when the wedding party starts (after the silly games people play at weddings) I am again fully mixing my party set on my own.

    Also many people do not care, which is sad. For example I DJed at a bar on Sundays for the whole summer. Sundays are usually slow, but thankfully when I played it was mostly packed and people seem to enjoy themselves, so I was happy.
    Now in winter, due to the bar having a huge outdoor place, but small indoor facilities, I have been axed. As the owner says: I can fill up the indoors easily and put my laptop on iTunes Genius… Happens… I am not even mad at him, since he does not comprehend… maybe when the next 2 sundays his bar is again empty like the last one, he will come around…

    #30589
    Groschi
    Participant

    DJ Psychotrance, post: 30736, member: 3792 wrote: Well alot of mobile dj’s cannot beatmatch if their life depended on it, so just running a playlist and walking away suits them as it leaves time to chat on phone and other things, now i can accept this kind of dj’ing if it’s top 40, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s music being played, but when they play EDM music and do not make an attempt to beatmatch then i really do question whether they are a proper dj who can beatmatch and phrasematch. I started off dj’ing as a hobby playing trance, happy hardcore and other EDM genres and learned to beatmatch and phrasematch, then i started doing mobile gigs and when i do my mobile gigs i never move from my laptop and controller as i use traktor and always have to load the next track…..i do my best to mix or blend 60’s, 70’s and any other non EDM music, but when i do play some EDM i sure as hell show off my mixing skills to show my audience that i am a proper dj who can mix tracks and not just do easy things like blending and cutting or even worse using an automated playlist………mobile dj’s who just play a playlist should in my opinion not be paid as much as us dj’s who can mix properly and put on a good show for their customers.
    I really don’t care if a dj has spent thousands of pounds on an awesome sound system and light show, if he or she can’t beatmatch and phrasematch then in my eyes they are not a pro dj….letting a laptop play through a playlist is not dj’ing it’s exactly what it is…..PLAYING music from an automated PLAYLIST.

    I totally agree with you that putting on a playlist and then walking away, not putting in the slightest effort for the rest of the evening is really bad style and worthy of a jukebox, but not of a DJ.
    But i’m always baffled by how much more importance you edm-guys tend to award to beatmatching and how little is talked about a much more important issue, the one that DJing, regardless of the genres you’re spinning, is truly about. Of course you’ve already understood my point: It’s all about the music itself.

    Beatmatching is only one of many tools that helps you to program and present your music more effectively and creatively. It’s pretty essential in some genres and ridiculously unimportant or even contraproductive and inappropriate for others.
    I can only agree with Frank Broughton and Bill Brewster when they say in their handbook on DJing that beatmatching is a rather boring and dumb (albeit difficult and skillful) procedure to go through and a rather uninteresting topic to talk about, just as if they want to get it out of the way and get to the more fun parts.
    And you can be sure: there are many of HipHop-DJs looking down on the EDM-folk just because you don’t scratch like crazy all the time, which is just as stupid as a position.

    I always read those post as if some of you make a black-and-white distinction between those who do (beatmatch) and those who don’t. The beatmatching DJ is an anmbassador of the true craft, an honorable fighter for exquisite taste and for the good of the scene. The non-beatmatching “so-called“ DJ is a complete fraud with no passion whatsoever for what he does, and who only wants to rip off people for his worthless services at wedding receptions and other boring events.

    But the world is not that black and white. Although i really don’t like the music played on such occasions, the typical wedding DJ has incredible abilities when it comes to animating and entertaining a crowd. They have an exceptional knowledge on all genres of music that ever gained wide popularity and thus could appeal to certain parts of the audience. And they have a great feel for their crowd, their moods and their needs. Because of these skills, 99% of all poeple there won’t give a cr*p about if they can beatmatch or not.

    Now let’s take a look at underground culture ok? My point is that it’s a lot bigger than many of you think.
    There are venues and events where they play mainly alternative & indie stuff, northern soul, rare grooves, walls of experimental white noise, obscure old garage rock 7”s or even shellac records.
    Thing is, the overwhelming majority of these DJs don’t beatmach, but still the audience is smart enough to tell a guy who bought a couple of northen soul compilations and thinks he can pull it off now apart from someone who was breathing these sounds all of his life.
    And also the indie crowds tend to be pretty sophisticated and demanding. They can smell from a distance of some kilometres if that guy’s music is his life or if he’s just replicating the billboard alternative charts.

    So please, stop worrying so much about beatmatching, guys. People will notice if you’ve got what it takes (and that may or may not include beatmatching) in your particular genre of music anyway. And there’s no need to be afraid of those who don’t, because they won’t take away any of your precious status.

    And to get back to the “set up playlist and walk away“- DJs: If people still danced all night like DJ Stone Crazy told us, then they must at least have got something right. If they would consider putting a little more effort into their craft, they still could become DJs worthy of that title.

    #30594
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I guess this is my view — and frankly speaking I’m more of a musician than a DJ — is that whoever is in the booth better entertain the crowd. If they leave the booth they don’t do that work. Period. Then entertainment could take any factors, surprising set list, doing mashups on the fly, scratching, whatever-beat matching, just something that makes people happy as they are entertained. Standing there and beat matching one song after another with nothing else is seldom that entertaining either.

    #30595
    gullum
    Participant

    If you go to a bar plug in a laptop or ipod and press play and leave not making any edits to you play list during the night. No I would not call you a DJ. your just a person who’s lending the bar your laptop/ipod (Music colection) for the night.
    But if you are in the booth making changes to that playlist and maybe adding in some requests you are a DJ.
    Are you a good DJ then? I or other DJ’s might not think so but your still a DJ.

    #30621
    squeeam
    Participant

    When I did my first set on Saturday night my brother-in-law, who’d asked me to do it, would have been happy with me picking the tunes and then using an ipod and letting it play. But I knew this wouldn’t keep the dance floor going. A lot of songs have long fade in’s and fade outs or sudden starts or take a while to get going. Fine for when you’re listening at home or in the car but when you’re dancing you want to get into the song as soon as possible.
    Bearing in mind this was an ‘80’s concentrated set I set cue points for when the song gets going. So, instead of having the long synth intro, you have the big drum charge on Bon Jovi’s Living On A Prayer and everyone whoops immediately because they know the song has started. I also played Insomnia by Faithless and cut some of the build up to that, although I know that is a major part of the song, so that we can get to the beat quicker and people can dance.
    Also, how can an ipod read the crowd, see what’s working , when to change the tempo. And an ipod can’t dance behind the decks/CDJ’s/controller and show everyone how much they are into it too.
    I wasn’t worried about beat matching as I’m not proficient yet and wouldn’t yet inflict it on anyone else.
    It is about the tunes but it’s also about executing them well so they flow and keep the party going.

    #30622
    DJ Menno
    Participant

    I’ve had a bartender asking me once if I could lend him my hard disk for him to leave it on shuffle… He didn’t realize that the atmosphere was due to me building funk then rock then dance music, he thought having my music collection on random play would do the trick. It’s about building, knowing your crowd, and no playlist made in advance can improvise on the crowd present in the bar, that’s no DJ to me…without even considering beatmatching or not.

    #30627
    Mike Check
    Member

    Short answer, yes I would consider them a DJ. Like anything there are varying degrees of talent but even if you’re at the very low end of the range you’re still considered a DJ. A lot of DJ’s say that if you’re not beatmatching you’re not a real DJ but to me that’s as wrong as a DJ/producer saying that you’re not a real DJ if you don’t also write the song that you’re beatmatching/mixing.

    #30632
    DJ Stone Crazy
    Participant

    Mike Check, post: 30783, member: 1342 wrote: Short answer, yes I would consider them a DJ. Like anything there are varying degrees of talent but even if you’re at the very low end of the range you’re still considered a DJ. A lot of DJ’s say that if you’re not beatmatching you’re not a real DJ but to me that’s as wrong as a DJ/producer saying that you’re not a real DJ if you don’t also write the song that you’re beatmatching/mixing.

    I might have to agree with you. Back in the day, there was no playlist technology like we have now. So, we had no choice to play song after song manually. Also, the people may have put some thought in their playlist selection.

    #30641
    NewportDJ Drew
    Participant

    Back in the day, there was no playlist technology like we have now. So, we had no choice to play song after song manually.

    Back in the day I used to make mixes to tape, that would be my ‘start of the night auto list’ alas i still had to mix it manually.

    #30642
    DJ Stone Crazy
    Participant

    Newportdj Drew, post: 30797, member: 244 wrote: Back in the day I used to make mixes to tape, that would be my ‘start of the night auto list’ alas i still had to mix it manually.

    I screwed up. I meant to say we had NO CHOICE but to play manually. Still, you’re right.

    #30644
    D-Jam
    Participant

    I’m setting up my iPhone on shuffle for my own wedding…although it’s a laid-back cocktail reception. Is that sacrilege?

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