Seeking Suggestions for Vinyl to DVS
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May 29, 2017 at 10:05 pm #2566171
Rick Dawson
Participantdo you have a budget for your “upgrade”?
May 29, 2017 at 10:17 pm #2566181EEDubya
ParticipantThank you very much for your response, I’d prefer to spend no more than $1K but could go up to $2K if I feel comfortable with what I’d be getting with my investment. I’d like to try to pursue some gigs so I’m kind of viewing this in terms of a business expense.
May 29, 2017 at 11:06 pm #2566221Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorWell, technically using your current setup for DVS should work. Either Serato (relatively expensive with a minimum of the Denon DS1 sound card) or Mixvibes (much lower price, apart from the FX quality a lot alike to Serato and works with any old 4-in/4-out sound card.
Clearly you will be shelling out money for timecode vinyls (they wear out reasonably fast, so this requires some upkeep financially. And you will want an option to trigger some things in the software, like FX, loops, cues etx. There are various options for that like the Akai AFX or Reloop Neon. You might already conclude that this is becoming a bit of a mess with all those separate units and such.
Alternatively you could look at a DVS-compatible controller and hook your TTs directly up to those. You don’t need the sound card (built-in to the controller), you don’t need separate controllers for your software, AND you get two extra decks with jogwheels. If you decide you like jogs better you can easily leave your big bulky heavy TTs at home in the future or you can keep having a mixed setup.
Controllers that come to mind are the Pioneer DDJ-SX, DDJ-RX and Denon MC7000 and MCX8000 (this last one can be used as standalone unit for backup purposes). They all come with either full Serato or RekordBox licenses (although you might have to buy the DVS upgrade). You could sell of your mixer and in total not have to spend too much and be set for all eventualities.
Hope that helps some.
My three cents as usual.
May 30, 2017 at 1:10 am #2566241Max Maxy
ParticipantMy tip is get the new Pioneer DJM250 MK2 2-Ch DJ Mixer w/ Rekordbox DJ & DVS. You get a great mixer with full Serato DJ & Serato DVS license, all you need is some Serato timecode vinyl to go with that and your turntables and your good to go. As you haven’t put up the specs on your laptop it’s hard to know if it will do the job but if not the purchase I suggest above should allow you a second hand Macbook Air and still stay inside your $1k budget. The DDJ-SX suggested by DJ Vintage doesn’t allow for Serato DVS expansion.
May 30, 2017 at 7:26 am #2566271Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorCorrect, I should have said SX2 (the only model now available new).
May 31, 2017 at 4:07 am #2566591EEDubya
ParticipantWow this is all such great feedback, I’m new to this forum and seriously you guys have been very helpful. I’m on other producer forums and the old timers and moderators can really be grumpy towards newbies. I will look into all these options and post again if I have any questions. Thanks again
P.S. DJ Vintage I’ve noticed that you give out a lot of 3 cents on this forum, you got a lot of loose change to give much appreciated!
May 31, 2017 at 1:00 pm #2566741Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorYeah … lifetime of filling the piggy bank! Thanks for the kind words.
May 31, 2017 at 3:24 pm #2566781EEDubya
ParticipantThanks again guys, after doing some research I have a couple of additional questions. DJ Vintage you mention buying DVS compatible controllers, if I’m following you I could connect my turntables through those and use the mixer to control my turntables? Your thought is that this would be an opportunity to be able to use turntables and also try out the stand alone controllers to see if I would prefer using those over turntables? With this set up would I be able to go back and forth between the controllers and turntables if I wanted (and would that even make sense)? With the DJM250 MK2 2-Ch DJ Mixer I could get some time code vinyls, setup the software and plug and play? This mixer is compatible with Rekordbox and Serato?
Thanks again
May 31, 2017 at 4:57 pm #2566791Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorTo start with our last question: yes, I believe the DJM250 mk2 has a DVS compatible sound card built-in.
Then to the bigger question, using a controller.
In order to be able to support DVS, a mixer or controller needs to have a 4-in/4-out sound card (2 stereo channels in and out). Not all of them do. The ones I mentioned all do.
You would indeed connect your TTs to the phono inputs (assuming your TTs have phono out) of the controller. The mixer part of the controller is what you would use for mixing.
Your entire setup therefor would consist of:
– computer/laptop with DJ software (with DVS option)
– 2 TTs
– ControllerDVS in essence lets you send a timecode signal to your software. That timecode signal comes from the TC vinyl you put on the TT. It is sent through the phono in of the controller via USB to your software. You can then load tracks into the decks the same way you would when using controller decks. Now you can manipulate the tracks just as if there was regular vinyls on your TTs.
The software will also have a “thru” option, so you can switch from timecode to regular vinyl. That way you can either control your MP3s or whatever with timecode vinyl or throw on an actual vinyl and have that play. If you have a 4-channel/4-deck controller (like the ones mentioned earlier), you can set your software to 4-deck control. Now you have 2 vinyl/timecode DVS and 2 jogwheel controller channels you can all use simultaneously.Hence my advice for this setup. With minimal gear (although the controller obviously is way bigger than a 2-channel battle mixer) you get the best of all worlds. This gives you the option to expand your workflow and have a full 4-deck setup running for expanded creative options.
May 31, 2017 at 11:01 pm #2566841Max Maxy
ParticipantThe DJM250 mk2 doesn’t work with Serato DJ but comes plug and play ready with included full version Rekordbox DJ. It’s a great option and with Rekordbox you get the complete system with the ability to analyse tracks, set cue points and review tracks on your laptop without connecting all the hardware. All you would need in addition to the mixer is some Pioneer Rekordbox timecode vinyl and your existing turntables, Check these reviews here:https://www.digitaldjtips.com/2017/03/pioneer-dj-announces-djm-250mk2-2-channel-mixer/ , this one http://djtechtools.com/2017/03/01/pioneer-launches-djm-250mk2-two-channel-dvs-dj-mixer/ and this one here: https://djworx.com/rekordbox-dvs-pioneer-dj-djm-250mk2/
June 1, 2017 at 9:21 am #2566891Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorYou are right about that Maxy, I was too focussed on the DVS bit and forgot that Serato still is a bit picky about brand/model hardware it supports LOL.
Not sure what “all the hardware” you would not need to connect with a DJM as opposed to using a controller instead though?
Take out the DJM, insert an SX2 or MCX8000, connect the same things (laptop/TTs/speakers) and play. You can’t do DVS without a laptop, so no advantage there. And the only difference between the mixer and the controller is the size.
Clearly OP needs to figure out what his current and intended future workflow is/will be and what solution would fit best (yes or no the option to ALSO use regular jogwheels, handy if you want to do a quick gig without lugging heavy TTs around :-)).
June 2, 2017 at 6:50 am #2568201Max Maxy
ParticipantRight there DJ Vintage, I use a controller but also have two turntables and not only are they heavy and awkward to move around but some of the issues that controllers don’t suffer from are: the old skipping on wooden dance floors, wind blowing the tone arm on outdoor gigs, bass feedback vibrating the needle, dirty needles etc. Most gigs I use the DDJ-SX because it’s a lot easier and less hassle. That said turntables are great when they work.
June 2, 2017 at 4:52 pm #2568751EEDubya
ParticipantThanks again guys, the more I’m looking at the DDJ-SX it definitely seems a lot easier. Sidebar question (and maybe this should be a new thread) do you guys have suggestions for an affordable setup for a basic pa system?
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