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February 21, 2017 at 6:50 am #2534901
Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorYou kinda give the answer yourself as to why it’s impossible to answer a “what’s the best” question on any gear, including laptops. Highly personal and also depending on your own experiences. Your Acer flipped on you during an important gig? You are done with Acer, your Dell worked fine for 20 years? You will tell the whole world to buy Dell.
You love Apple? You will likely join the discussion wearing Apple-tinted glasses.Apples do crash, Windows laptops do work perfectly, all brands fail or work admirably, etx.
There are reasons why I (a Windows fan) use a Macbook Pro for music/DJ purposes. These have to do with design features (like full metal body, backlit keys, magnetic power supply connector – just to name a few) that don’t necessarily make my DJ-ing any better or give me any specific edge over other DJs. It just so happens that – TO ME! – these are features I highly appreciate and am willing to pay the premium (bought mine used btw). It also has to do with the software. Imho Apples suffer less from performance degradation over time than Windows laptops do. If you use your Windows laptop solely for DJ-ing and have it tuned for DJ-ing this will be far less of a concern. You do have to tune a Windows laptop for optimal performance, while I personally use my MB as is. Handling of sound, midi and such seems to be implemented better in Apple OS (OSX) than it is in Windows. Less driver issues. But all these things can be mitigated with proper care of your Windows laptop. So, the Apple vs the rest discussion is also one of a highly personal (preferences) nature.
If you pick Windows, meeting requirements for the software is obviously the bottom spec. Having plenty of internal (RAM) memory is nice. The more the merrier. I’d say 8GB is as low as you should go. I’d go for an SSD drive. No moving parts, where fast access times and generally less heat production. Heat production of the whole laptop CAN be a serious issue. You won’t be the first DJ here reporting that in a warm club, in the middle of the set the laptop decided to quit due to overheating! So make sure you get a laptop with sufficient airflow and fans and/or get one of those laptop cooler trays to put it on.
Quality pays with everything. And generally speaking a similarly specced laptop gets close in price to comparable Apples. The premium you pay for Apple will usually come back to you as they tend to hold their resell value better.
You don’t need thousands of tracks to DJ. Less is more here anyway.
Also sound card does not come into the equation. The sound card in laptops is not used to DJ with. You will either use and external (DJ) USB sound card or the sound card built into your controller. And I have never heard of “burning out” a sound card anyway.
I don’t think lifespan gets shorter perse when adding DJ software to a laptop. That said, DJ software DOES put more stress on your laptop. The CPU (processor) needs to work harder as does the hard disk/SSD (lots of reading going on). Lots goes on in RAM memory (everything is loaded there for processing). Your laptop will work harder, get warmer/hotter and lower end, lower spec laptops might easily hit their limits and start having problems like sound breaking up (again, nothing to do with sound card) and such. Clearly, like with cars, if you use it harder it will age quicker.
Hope that helps some.
February 21, 2017 at 4:54 pm #2535061Peter Lindqvist
ParticipantHey! Some clearings about different brands because the answers you got from your friends are typical. Besides being a DJ for many years, I’ve worked with computers in +20 years. I’m not that experienced with the use of DJ software yet, but there’s no different using DJ software than any other software like CAD, Games or any production software that will put stress on your computer. Some important stuff to know and consider:
1. Every brand has models that are/were shit. Usually some common problems are the same in every model that use the any third party hardware that’s of bad quality. All brands use the same CPU’s (AMD, Intel), Graphics (AMD, Nvidia, built-in-cpu), HDD’s (Many brands, very few controller manufacturers), the same goes for memory chipsets etc.. this hardware are nowadays the same for Apple computers, but they tend to stick to the higher spec’d parts. When sometimes a third party chipset doesn’t meet the set requirements, all brands suffer from it in all their models using it.
2. Always add 50% to the recommended specs. Updates and upgraded software tend to require more resources. It’s the only way to ensure that you can use your laptop for 5-6 years hassel free.
3. Dedicated use. Stick to using the new computer for one purpose. As soon the computer is used for more, you’re getting closer to a failure that’s avoidable and unnecessary.
4. Keep your system clean from rubbish. Get some good software, like Ccleaner, and use on regular basis.
5. Use Antivirus and Malware protection but make sure you can turn them off when you’re performing.
6. Optimize your system. Windows has a monumental number of programs and processes started automatically with your boot up and login. Close as many as you can and stop them from autostart. Get help if you’re not familiar with this or it could go quite wrong. At least, don’t do this in a hurry. It’s a bit of a trial and error because every user has different needs.
7. This is a very important part if you use Windows 10. Close down windows update!!!! To do this you will also have to close down the Windows update service and doing that make sure it doesn’t restart when it’s closed down. or it will start again. With Windows 10, Microsoft has taken control over the update process in a absolutely stupid way.
The update service will install updates in the background and by default restart your computer to finish installing them. There used to be a postpone choice, but know you’ll get a 5 min. warning and a countdown. The worst part is that you don’t know how long the restart will be. It could be as long as 45 min with several restarts. This happened to me with a computer running a software controller for steering the lights not long ago. The whole club went completely black for more than 20 minutes and I got the ”Windows Update is completing… Don’t close your computer…) screen. GAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
Another way to avoid this to happen is to close down all your network connections, which is recommended anyway. Problem is that sometimes the Windows update service will spin out of control and will draw 50% of your CPU’s capacity doing so.
In return for doing this, you’ll have a system running flawless for years. B.t.w, everything DJ Vintage said I agree with too. Good luck!
February 22, 2017 at 2:57 am #2535221D Star
ParticipantThank you guys for the informative replies.
Yes, that’s it DJ Vintage. Some laptop brands have worked great for others but not for other people for whatever reasons and so it’s each to there own really isn’t it DJ Vintage.However after reading all the bullet points from DJ Peter on windows laptops and windows 10 with its updates being a bit of a pain I think getting a mac is the best choice.
Also with the mac models you don’t need anti-virus/malware protection do you?
I’ve not heard of Ccleaner before. Is this something you download and need to pay for? And can be used on a mac or windows and what does this clear? Unused apps?Yeah so dj software is just the same as using something like CAD and it won’t shorten the lifespan.
If i brought a new windows/mac laptop to DJ would it not be okay to visit youtube and music sites like beatport to buy music and write CV’s and send them in an email? Would this really shorten the life or optimum level of a mac with just a little browsing whilst keeping system clean from rubbish?I am edging towards a mac now but they are quite a pretty sum aren’t they.
Vintage you say you brought one second hand. But with this, i’ve often worried what if they had it for some years and don’t say to get a higher price where it could last just a year but you paid a lot of money for it when they don’t tell you the full story on it. So cause of this i’ve always gone with all electronics in anything as ‘new’But macs still aren’t cheap, so is there a model from couple years ago i could get or refurbed. Amazon usually are good for new stuff thats older models but can’t find many macs on there. Also there is different types… pro and air? I would like one thats an older model (couple/3 yrs old) that is unused or second hand if they can be trusted.
Thanks
February 22, 2017 at 6:49 am #2535271Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorWhile it’s true that Mac are targeted less than Windows PCs, doesn’t mean they are “invulnerable”. As I use my Mac only for DJ-ing/Music purposes I hardly ever go online with it. Still I have a free version of Avira for Mac running.
The Windows 10 update thing is a pain indeed. As Peter said killing the network connection will sort of solve that in the moment. And you could also (have someone) make your system dual-boot with a separate install of Windows 7 for example that you use only for DJ-ing.
CCleaner (formerly known as CrapCleaner, hence the two Cs) is a free download for private use. Windows has a thing called Registry where all kinds (10s of thousands of them) of settings are saved for all the programs you use as well as Windows itself. Also Windows will store tons of temporary files. While they are intended to help you work faster, after time both Register deterioration (too much entries that are no longer correct) and loads of temporary files start to slow down the overall performance. Something like CCleaner (I use it in combination with Wise Disk and Wise Registry cleaners) will clean your disk and registry and provide a noticeable performance increase or keep your performance high if used on a regular basis.
On Windows I would use the dual-boot option I mentioned earlier to have a DJ-only mode for your laptop and a regular use mode. At startup you pick which one you want. You can make both share a part of the hard-drive where you share your music so it can be accessed from the general use option (downloading, preparing, etx) and from the DJ side, without the need to ever go online with the DJ side. This way, if something goes wrong with the general use side, you can still DJ and even reinstall the other mode without “hurting” your DJ mode.
For Mac this is not really an option or necessary (although there are some multi-boot options, typically used to add a Windows option to your Mac next to the original Mac OS), I’d always opt to have two different users setup. One for DJ-ing, the other for general use stuff. On a Mac user separation in the Operating System seems better than on Windows, but that might just be my perception.
As for getting used gear, I understand your problem. I have had two now and are happy with both. Not saying there is no risk and obviously only buy after you saw it working, looked it over closely, tried out all connections (USB, video port). If you don’t feel comfortable invite a computer-savvy friend along when you go inspect the goods.
Refurb is often an option as they will have been professionally tested and cleaned, often with a clean install of the OS with the latest updates and even come with some warranty on it. Clearly you will pay more, so that’s a decision you’d have to make.
Macs are expensive, no two ways about it. People that spend that kind of money on a laptop tend to take good care of their stuff. Unless you are very rich, you don’t generally throw around your 2.500 dollar laptop like it’s an old blanket. If you are buying from the original owner, there is a more than fair chance that you will get a well-cared for Mac. Things like the sturdiness of them help keeping them in good condition as well.
So, is it risk-free? No. But I feel far more comfortable buying used Macs than I would be buying other brands.The choice between Air/Pro is a personal one. If you want a bigger screen than 13″ (and I personally can’t use that small a screen with age-deteriorating eyes), the choice is pretty much made for you as that is the biggest screen you can get on an Air I think. That said, it’s nice and compact and I know of plenty of DJs who use one of them. Things like no DVD player are no longer an issue as the more recent Pro’s don’t have those anymore either. Also, who uses DVD players anymore. For CD ripping purposes you can get a simple USB attached CD/DVD player.
February 22, 2017 at 7:50 pm #2535731DJ Tucker
ParticipantI can honestly say the best laptop to dj with is whatever you can afford. I’d make sure it has an SSD (or that you budget enough to chuck one in). I’m partial to Windows 7 and i5 machines. Beyond that, it’s a matter of tweaking Windows to minimize lag and stuff.
That said, you’re looking at laptops that cost the same as a trusty 2012 MacBook Pro. I bought one a few years ago strictly for DJing after using Windows laptops for many years and can say that it just worked better with far less need to tweak any settings. They’re still out there and maybe even for less than the laptops you’re looking at.
Back to Windows machines, remember that they all are somewhat meant to wear out so you could probably grab a $300 i5 laptop, clean install Windows without the added crapware, and be perfectly fine. Don’t overthink it.
February 23, 2017 at 10:46 pm #2536091Rob S
ParticipantNot much to add, but this is a great thread. I can also vouch for CCleaner. Store bought laptops also come with loads of bloatware you’ll need to uninstall.
February 24, 2017 at 8:13 am #2536151Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorA tool for getting rid of bloatware (although I feel it’s slightly less useful than in the times of Windows XP through to Windows 7) is pcdecrapifier.
February 25, 2017 at 11:03 pm #2536401Henry Griffiths
ParticipantAs a general rule, I wouldn’t buy a laptop for business use that doesn’t come with a 3 year warranty as standard. There are exceptions, like I believe Macbook Pro’s have a pretty good service record.
That second Inspiron is pretty good spec wise, except that it has a discrete GPU, which is adding unnecessary cost and possibly battery drain. You don’t need a discrete GPU for anything else but gaming anymore these days. Also warranty only 1 year on it.
If you have a ton of songs, I’d try to get a 500gb SSD, they aren’t that expensive.
March 4, 2017 at 12:25 am #2538011D Star
ParticipantThanks for all the responses and great info guys.
I have swayed towards a mac and seems the best option for djing.
So it would be a mac 15″ I think that’s a pro isn’t it?
I don’t want the latest one. One new from few years old will do me fine.
Above i remember someone said get a 2012 OS Mac but what is the life span of macs. 6 years like windows?
I dont’ want to pay for one thats 3 or 4 yrs old and then it lasts me just 2 years.But a new one from the last couple years would be good.
Anyone had a search recently and can reccomend a mac 15″ to go for?Thanks
March 4, 2017 at 12:38 am #2538021D Star
ParticipantWhats your thoughts on this one? https://www.hoxtonmacs.co.uk/collections/macbook-pro-15-inch/products/macbook-pro-15-inch-quad-core-i7-2-3ghz-mid-2012
with 8gb memory and 500gb hard drive for £799. Good price? Spec chosen? I dont have loads of tracks so i’m sure that’d be enough and can add a external hard drive if needs be. Also it’s HDD and not SSD is this a major difference when djing?
I believe they are all refurbished. So would that restart the life span to around 6 yrs plus?March 4, 2017 at 10:42 am #2538061Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorIt’s almost the exact machine I have. Bought second-hand when it was 3 1/2 years old. Mine has 16GB Ram and a 256GB SSD though. Since it’s a company you are buying from you can ask if they can swap the HD for an SSD before you buy it. 8GB RAM should be totally fine. Mine just came with 16GB, that wasn’t a purchase criteria for me.
Price seems about right. I paid 1.000 euro for mine, but it was at the time of course a bit younger and had the extra RAM and an SSD.
As for life expectancy, I can safely say that mine feels like it’s near new. Good thing is that processor development has really slowed down a lot the last 5 years. i7 is still i7 and speeds remaining in the 2.x-3.0GHz range. So there isn’t too much difference between a 3rd generation i7 and a 6th generation one as there was between processor models before.
And while an i3 would be on the low end of the scale for DJ-ing, an i5 with plenty of RAM would do nicely, the i7 is just a very nice piece of kit to have.
Again, mine is going on 5 years old, but I don’t see it dropping below specs for anything I throw at it for many years to come.
In short, try to sweet talk them into give you a nice price upgrade to a 256GB SSD and go for it!
March 8, 2017 at 3:12 pm #2539031DJ Unknown
ParticipantI’m running a MacBook Air 128Gb And this hasn’t let me down at all, the sound quality is better than the older Macbook pros, and the speed, reaction time, efficiency and quality Has blown all my previous computers away!
Then again this could be biased as ive wanted a Macintosh since i was 5! xD
March 8, 2017 at 6:45 pm #2539041D Star
ParticipantThe air is only 13″ though isn’t it? I’ve always had a 15.4″ windows so with mac’s i’d want atleast a 15″
I wear glasses and often have tired eyes so wouldnt smaller than that.I’ll see if i can message them and ask about a 256gb SSD upgrade Vintage.
If not, would it still be a good bit of gear at HDD? Or is SSD a big deciding factor in quality?March 9, 2017 at 11:12 pm #2539271Chuck Van Eekelen
ModeratorSure, HDD will work too. It’s just that if you have the option SSD is a) the thing that gives most upgrade for the money currently (especially as swapping processors in laptops isn’t possible or too expensive and b) since it has no moving parts, an SSD is not prone to movement issues when “spinning” or – worse – falling or being bumped.
But hey, it’s a good laptop either way and the specs seems ok, as does the price.
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