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Save a free app you are depending on (Cry Wolf…) ?

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  • June 28, 2016 at 11:20 pm #2413141
    DJ Vintage
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    Well, perhaps it’s not a good idea to stack your professional career on free apps. At least if you paid for them you can get some kind of discussion going with the producer of the app.

    It is, however, an interesting question and I am very curious if such a tool/option exists.

    Anybody?

    BTW this would be interesting for IOS. For OS/X I don’t see the problem as you don’t NEED Apple Store to get software, should Apple remove it from the store the apps are usually available for regular install download from a manufacturers site.

    June 28, 2016 at 11:39 pm #2413151
    eder1
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    p.s: You can “stack your professional career” on a free product also, it’s just that very few of the professional things are given away free.

    Have you ever tried a professional free app (compared to one that costs 10, or 1000 usd)? I can tell you that they exist, and they can be free for many different reasons.

    But that was not the issue here The issue is that the free product can/is dissapearing with time, and in the apple infra-structure nobody has a solution for this (as far as i know), yet.

    Our “business”, is the DJ-business (and yes, you can be in that business running a free, professional app, if you know were to look.

    and… just to make this question more clear: We are talking only about apps here, not software. Software is for desktop computers (apple/pc etc), apps are for ipads or even iphones.

    This problem does not exist for software, because you can always, in one way, legal or not, find a way to make a backup of the software you run on your desktop computer (free or paid), and use that “forever, like people do with photoshop etc, etc

    So… does anybody have a solution, or am i the only one seeing this as a problem?

    June 29, 2016 at 8:22 am #2413211
    DJ Vintage
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    Yep, misread the last part of your message where you went into OS X and Windows. Jumped to the wrong conclusion.

    I could go into a whole dissertation on this topic, but I won’t.

    As far as I know such a tool does not exist and with good reason.

    You do not purchase (or get for free) the software, you acquire the right to use it for as long as the manufacturer allows. The advent of iOS/Android tablets has given manufacturers more tools to enforce that. If you had bought Photoshop at it’s regular price of several hundred dollars, you’d expect that right to last a long time and rightfully so. And if you bought Photoshop you’d be allowed to keep using it, albeit without support or guarantee and with no upgrades or bug fixes. Nor could you claim anything if your old Photoshop no longer works with the next release of Windows. With apps, it’s a manufacturers right to revoke the right to use at any given time and app stores make it easy for that to happen.

    While an inconvenience and no doubt sad experience when you have to give up a free tool, I’d say it’s just that, an inconvenience and not a problem. It’s only a problem if you stacked all your chips on that tool and it’s disappearance means the end of your product or service. And putting yourself in such a dependent state isn’t good business to start with. Any tool designed to let you save and reinstall an app will only postpone the inevitable, the moment the app stops working (properly) as the OS continuous to evolve.

    I have had free apps work fine on iOS6 only to stop working totally when iOS7 hit. Some apps disappeared (the developers not willing to continue development), others released updates shortly after. But in either case, if I had saved the iOS6 version because a tool had existed and I would now try to reinstall on iOS-whatever, it simply wouldn’t work and or cause an unacceptable security hazard.

    Unfortunately, in this modern ICT day, nothing IT-related is truly “forever” anymore.

    June 29, 2016 at 3:39 pm #2413331
    eder1
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    Thanks for answering, b.t.w! Though it seems that my topic perhaps was a bit unclear

    My question was more like a hypothesis: ”What would happen if”.

    It’s not that i’m “dependent” of a ”silly” app on the ipad or something. It’s just that i like it because of it’s quality.

    i thought it was good to lift this topic in a forum for “digital dj’s” (not that we’ll ever be able to do anything about apple’s random policy changes) and see if somebody realized that this problem does exists, and/or is checking the facts what is available, especially when some of the best dj-apps out there, actually, is, and has been for a while, free, lol 🙂

    I think you are both wrong and right in what you say about the ”you are only having the right to use the software”. It’s not like psysical CD’s for example)

    When we are talking about using software on a desktop computer that did not originate from the apple store, you actually own your software, free or paid for, and you can do what you want. if it’s a great version of an audio-editor,for example, in theory, if something better hasn’t been developed, you could be using it for a decade (i know examples of people doing that, too).

    It’s just that apple has made it technically more difficult in iOS9, blaming the ”App Thinning” as a reason… for not beeing able to save a local copy of your app.

    I have been investigating a little more now, and there are actually desktop software that let’s you make a proper backup (not like one the cloud) of your free software, including the app itself and not only the data…, but it is only possible as long as you are staying on iOS8. It seems that this topic was one that not really anyone was interesting in, so…

    Lesson: Sometimes/often it’s wise to not automatically update things just because one assume that something better will follow with the next version.

    When it comes to software, its not always like that, unfortunately, because new bugs are introduced with each version, and everything will have to be tested as new, by the developer again, which cost time and money and not everybody does that, including apple themselves.. now letting us, the users test their OS for them.

    June 30, 2016 at 12:07 am #2414001
    Alick Pryce
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    I don’t know about free apps but, I have deleted and reinstalled app from my MAC/PC. When you connect your device to your computer you will see all the apps that you acquired (installed & uninstalled). You can then reinstall those apps from your computer, I have done so with an app that disappeared and has now returned.

    If i am wrong about this then I welcome your corrective reply.

    June 30, 2016 at 2:01 am #2414011
    eder1
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    Yes, you are wrong and that’s why i started this topic.
    Since (around) october 2015 Apple changed their police again, and you can not restore something, even if you have bought it, if it’s gone from the app store (we are talking apps for ipad/iphone here).

    I just wanted to know if somebody had the name of some software that could easily copy the app itself (i am not talking about the app-data) to a safe location on your desktop computer, or to an usb, and if your ipod/iphone burned up, and you got another, it would be easy to restore it to that device. I haven’t got any answers here, so far, just misunderstandings and facts that are wrong, so i suppose either nobody has have the need for this, yet, or they simple do not use free apps professionally. I don’t know.

    Admin, you may delete this thread if you like, it doesn’t fill any purpose it seems.

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