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  • #2408991
    DJ Vintage
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    One of the major advantages of Digital (Controller) DJ-ing is that it has opened up many, many new and creative ways of doing things. This includes (finally) a host of new sorts of gear. If you play CD’s, pretty much every player has to to do the same things whether it’s a CDJ, a Gemini rip-off, a Numark NDX, an American Audio/DAP/Behringer low end player does not really matter. Pioneer were the “pioneer” of the current CDJ form factor and have managed to become the defacto standard. There was no real alternative and by the time the alternatives showed up, the gear was there already. More importantly, it is hard to become a contender if the same basic functions need to be there.

    So, at some point in time, if a club bought VERY expensive Pioneer gear, it would be in that club forever. And if there were Pioneer CDJs in a club, you’d have no reason to bring your own brand X, Y, Z players as they added nothing new, play is play, cue is cue and setting loops and cue points wasn’t rocket science on them either. But now, more and more DJs want to bring their own gear, because it DOES add something that the CDJs don’t have. And they want to use it with the software of their choice. I don’t think we will go back to a situation where a single brand dictates what software and hardware we have to use if we go play at a venue.

    That ghost, to me, seems to be out of the bottle forever.

    With (now) the major SIX (6!) PC/Mac DJ software packages and a lot of controller manufacturers around, creating your personal favorite DJ tool has become easy and fun. There is really no reason to have to adhere to some kind of standard if you can have your own best solution that you can carry around in a backpack.

    This time around Pioneer is all but a pioneer on the controller/DJ software front. They are followers at best. Relatively late to the market with a full spectrum of controllers, very late to the market with their own DJ software.

    We have seen the “buff” they gave to their CDJ/DJM combo in order to keep them relevant for festivals (Tour-series) where they have added iPad-like screens to all units.

    In short, I think we will not see a resurgence of venues willing to invest between 6 and 8k for gear that a growing part of their DJs would not like to play on because they prefer to use their own.

    And the competition is fierce. A single look at something like the Denon MCX8000 shows you what potential can be had. There is currently nothing in the marketplace that compares to it. But even that will only appeal to a part of the DJs and not become a standard for whatever reason. It does show that the DJ Booth is no longer a one-brand place anymore.

    Just my usual 3 cents. Look forward to hearing other(‘s) views.

    #2409031
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I totally agree with Vintage and could not have said it better.
    Today’s software offers so much more than simple CDJs to express your creativity it is a totally new freedom that we DJs have and also are able to create USPs for ourselves.
    In the reign of CDJs almost all midcard DJs sounded the same, as they only had CDJs and DJM and built in F/X and some additional F/X. The upper class DJs would then add some samplers etc. that costed tons of money as all was in hardware.

    Today you can decide, do I go for Traktor and stems, do I want to slice and dice I go Serato, do I want to be versatile (VDJ/Cross) do I want a special feel (dJay) etc. etc. so much things to do and choose and finally even midcard DJs do again sound different from one another and you can make yourself stand out very easily and most important cheap.

    Highend controllers start around 500-600 bucks if you can get a good price on a reloop or Numark. And they top out at around 2k (which is the entry price for a single CDJ).

    Also stability is not longer a huge issue. Macbooks have been stable for ages and new Windows 10 machines from major brands seem to do fine (my observation over the last 6 months).

    Then you might ask “why then are so many still using CDJs?”:
    Well when a market is going places there are people sticking to the old things as they never knew anything else AND “we always did it that way”. Hence we still have Revolvers in our world, which (special fun usage aside) any Glock beats in features, safety and reliability.
    Then there are those that do not want to learn anything new.
    Next there are those that get paid to use it (mostly high card players) and they do get LOTS of money and most of the time they do mime anyways playing their pre-recorded sets…
    And then there are of course the “lifestyle” crowd as I like to call them. They tell everyone if you want to be “pro” or “down” or “hip” or whatever you have to use certain gear, clothes etc. Those do not have any idea about what they are talking and are most of the time midcard players or highcard player “proteges” that have no idea about real DJing and creativity. Most of the time they are in it for the money and die out fast.

    These are my observations in 20+ years DJing.
    I would not want to miss the level of freedom and creativity that my controller and laptop give me for a single day. While I can DJ on CDJs, I started this year to charge and extra fee if a venue or promoter wants me to use the CDJ gear, as I see it as promoting outdated very expensive gear so that someone can make money of it, so why should I not ask for extra cash to do it…

    #2409461
    Alex Moschopoulos
    Participant

    I think ANALOG AUDIO is on the way out.

    I still see the Pioneer CDJs used like crazy, but only now to play digital files, not analog music.

    I think the “standard” for clubs and events will be Pioneer CDJs and a mixer…but mainly to use Rekordbox-oriented music files. I can’t see someone strolling in with a book of CDs anymore.

    #2409541
    Peter Lindqvist
    Participant

    Still has to point out who’s responsibility it is when you bring your own gear into a Club. Very little talk about it and perhaps not too funny of a subject. Imagine connecting your stuff to a high end PA and something bad happens, or for that matter nothing happens. Are you prepared to pay the prize? The benefit of having a pre installed DJ-kit in a club is that all the responsibilities, except for the music and a pair of head phones, are with the club. If the mixer doesn’t work, you can sit down your ass and wait ’till it’s fixed. If your gear f***s the night up, you could be liable, not only to pay for physical damages, but also loss of sales for that and future events. Make sure you know exactly what the managers/owners view on this is, because sometime, something bad will happen. We have talked about the importance of backup gear before, but new DJs may not have gotten that far yet when they start playing on events. Let’s say that you get the warmup set for your local club, and for some reason, when you connect your cables, you shorten the installed club mixer. You quickly put the balanced cables in to your controller and do your set, but the next three guys in the booth will play from the CDJs, and the mixer is dead. Now you have a dead £2000 mixer to fix and a night to save. Prepared for that?

    It’s up to us old dogs to point out not only the benefits and positive parts, but also the risks involved. These are often learned along the way and it could end up in a very expensive life experience and may also ruin your future as a DJ. I know several guys that this has happen to so it’s definitely something real to be taken serious.

    #2409941
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Honestly Peter those scenarios you painted do not exist.
    Big clubs have techs, that will phone you (or you them) prior to the gig and they will only accept “good” controllers and will know how to hook you up and how to check it via their monitoring system even before you turn over.
    Smaller Clubs now have prepared cables, so you put your controller up, connect and immediately see if you are good to go. You can always fallback on your USB stick, but I never had to do it yet. Except one time, but it was no equipment fault, I was already packed up and the DJ working had to throw up, so I had to take over in a seconds notice…

    Also premium controller gear and good laptops are reliable. Yes I have a backup (pre-recorded mix on mp3 player) as backup and in clubs with CDJs also bring a USB stick prepared. But I never had to use it. I never had a piece of gear not working. Of course you have to upkeep your gear and I always re-test it all before I leave the house.

    Honestly all those issues that some people paint in their head or that some CDJ DJs tell you are not in the real world in my experiance. I exclusively DJ with my controller now for quite some time (unless someone pays me to do it on CDJs) and my experience has been positve 100%.
    Have I seen others have problems? Sure if you are expecting to DJ in a Beach Club, even in indirect sunlight with 40-45°C and decide to show up with a 300 bucks chinese laptop… yes I saw those crap out and flat out die. But I was there and took over since my MacBook was working fine.
    So get good gear (still way cheaper than CDJs) I also recommend to overspec your laptop (it will run cooler if the CPU is used less) and buy a premium laptop like a MacBook, HP EliteBook Folio, Dell XPS, Alienware,… and a controller from a good brand like reloop, Numark, Pioneer or of course a tank from Denon.

    #2417271
    Kent Sandvik
    Participant

    I’m so glad CDJs are out, the media could so easily be corrupted and the optical heads could get dirty and so on and so on. USB sticks with media is maybe the common ground just now for most systems.

    Or then use vinyl!

    #2419751
    DJ Mat G
    Participant

    Controllers generally are lighter, more mobile and can be most importantly, used to practice at home (being less expensive as well). This means people are comfortable with their equipment when it comes to the gig.

    It also comes all in one piece there fore quicker to set up and generally takes less space. All these are pluses especially for mobile DJs.

    Ipad touch screens can be used on their own as back up (headphone out/airplay out to powered speakers), if the controller dies!

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