Home 2023 Forums Digital DJ Gear Are there really 'DJ monitors' on the market ??

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    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Most DJs use near field monitors because of a few simple facts:
    1. flat response speakers (they will not color the sound by themselves, but let you hear the music as it is mixed/EQed)
    This is not the case with HiFi or Computer speakers, although there are some that are OKish.
    The KRK entry level near fields color slightly, but for DJ use this is OK.

    2. They direct sound to a spot (why they are called near field). So you can set them up easily as they will shoot the sound roughly where you point them. So as long as elevation and tilt are OK they work and you can use them at kinda close range without blowing your ears off (again why they are called near field).

    3. The reproduction range is good on those monitors (usually 50Hz to 20k at least) and the whole reproduction range will be as flat as they can make it. So you will actually hear it.

    4. You can use them at low volume settings and still get the full range of sound. So even at bedroom volumes the whole flat response thing at the expected range should work.

    5. Due to their construction they are usually very forgiving with placement. So usually even when they are near a wall or angled etc. they usually do not create extreme reflections and you put a little isolating foam under them and you should be OK. You do not need to invest hugely into sound proofing the room unless you sit in a glass house.

    So that is why you do not need “DJ” monitors as cheaper near fields will do. For production there are added issues and why producers tend to buy more expensive near fields, but for DJ use even lower end KRK Rockits will do all the above.

    Now PA speakers… some do use them and it might be OK for some but they have a few inherent flaws, that make them less optimal for home use:
    1. Usually they need a minimum volume to reproduce the same spectrum if at all.

    2. They direct sound less and over a longer rangem, which is good for their intended purpose, but not optimal for home use as soundproofing your room is now suddenly a thing.

    3. They are usually bigger and heavier aka harder to place.

    4. They should not be placed near walls.

    5. They do not work as good when not setup in their intended way.

    That does not mean that you cannot make them work for home use, it is just a lot more difficult.

    That is why for home use I recommend cheaper near fields like KRK (which I like best) or reloops.

    #2403511
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Yep near fields are more forgiving, especially if they are front-ported (i.e. bass reflex opening facing the listener, not the back of the speaker).

    For a room your size 5″ will work, if you like a bit more solid low end I’d go with 6″. 8″ is nearing overkill for near field, imho. If you go for 5″ consider adding a (typically 10″) sub, but make sure you match them.

    One form of PA that MIGHT satisfy both your needs are the sub/two top packages that are around. The better ones now featuring mini-array kind of tops and smallish subs. Highly compact, take up little space in transport and setting up, suitable for small parties (say up to 75, maybe 100 people). They sound good and have volume belying their physical size. The grandfathers of this trend are the LD Systems Dave and the HK Audio Lucas Nano, but almost every serious manufacturer now sports one or more models, from low end Behringer thru to RCF.

    If you choose these, you don’t have to be too picky about placement (definitely not near field setup), as long as the distance to your ears is not too big you should be fine. When you have a gig, pack’m up and have a good small footprint PA.

    Just my three cents as usual.

    #2403551
    TJ
    Participant

    I was just going to mention LD dave. Great speakers! For home practise and small parties you can use dave xs 8 – great, massive sound from small package!

    #2403761
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I agree on the Dave that they are great little speakers, however 2 things I noticed with them:
    The speaker does not cut it alone, so you need the sub to have accurate reproduction. However isolating the sub is significantly more difficult and you prolly have neighbours complaining if you live in an apartment (house would be OK).
    Secondly they need to be placed quite a bit farther away than my KRK or Adams to reproduce similar good sound.

    If you can accomodate that, then you can get away with using those PA speakers instead and just sacrifice a little sound coloring, which the Daves do have (but honestly so do the KRKs).

    #2403781
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    The Dave’s are typical first generation units. Their new Curve series are a lot better already. And the new DSPs can handle the frequency hole better (there would sometimes be a dip between the low end speaker and the tops). And many other brands now produce them, most likely meaning that sound coloring will depend on brand and model.

    #2404821
    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    How on Earth could I miss that:
    https://www.digitaldjtips.com/2013/08/review-video-ld-dave-12-g3-compact-pa-system/
    ???
    I especially mean the video review!
    where Phil:
    -at 4:10 says that the sound is warm and those satellites can be used instead of studio monitors
    -6:06 says that PA will not give me reference quality/flatness (which I don’t care about at all since I won’t be producing/mastering, what’s more: I wouldn’t even want that. DJing with) and that DJs want really something that ‘plays music, sounds sweet (!) and goes loud enough.

    #2404851
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    What we didn’t even mention up til now, is that studio/DJ monitors have another quality that make them a bit less suited for the task of listening to while practicing DJ-ing and that is that they tire your hearing more. Hifi and PA speakers are produced and tuned to make them sound comfortable, so you are able to listen to them for long periods of time.

    Studio speakers don’t have that luxury, their uncolored sound tend to leave your hearing more tired after a while.

    Yet another thing is that (combined with the tiring bit) monitors aren’t really produced to go really loud. They can, but it’s not what they are tuned for. Most engineers I know will listen somewhere around the 80dB mark, which is far from loud. Sometimes when you are practicing you really want to get into the mood and turn your speakers up a bit. That is not where monitors shine.

    Obviously ALWAYS take care of your ears. Protect them properly.

    #2405331
    Arkadiusz Mikina
    Participant

    mega
    thanks Vin 😉

    I didn’t take into consideration (wasn’t aware of?) the ear fatigue factor. That’s is good to bear in mind.
    And I also heard about the ‘work level’ of working in the studio…..definitely not ‘loud loud’ 😉

    That does it, ‘small/mobile/2 sats+sub system’ for me.

    Although to anyone that wants to stick to studio monitors for DJ practice though:
    at least try the M-Audio M3-8. They honestly wipe the floor with monitors twice the price (tested myself!) – of course if intention is DJ practice. Plus, they have a full and flexible EQ at the back so you can actually color the sound to make them sound….well…..actually less like a studio monitor hehe (to me it is still a paradox 🙂 ) i.e. suited for DJ practice.
    Plus the look awesome in real life and are not only three way but also tri-amped (which takes the crossovers out of the most important/crititcal hearing range i.e. 1000-3000Hz….unlike most/all 2 way monitors) which is unheard of in this price bracket

    greetinx 😀

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