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  • #2398021
    DJ Vintage
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    Just a few points here:

    I’m s hobby dj that does online radio . I don’t play out but maybe one day as the station I’m on has done events in the past

    Might wanna look at Yamaha AG03/06 mixer as an add-on. It’s positioned as webcasting tool and I must say it packs a lot of power into a very small unit that will happily live next to your controller.

    2 channels . I’m going to digital exclusively so don’t really need 4

    The two are not mutually exclusive, many controllers offer the option of swapping decks (and are called 4-deck controllers), in which case having 4 channels is far preferable to having 2. Again, if you don’t feel you need them, don’t worry about it.

    Decent jog wheels as I don’t quite get these controllers without jogs . How do you adjust of a track starts running away

    While I agree with your wish for jogs, on jogless units you’d either use the nudge buttons or (like on the S8/S5) a sort of needle strip. Not having tested it myself I can’t really comment, but people that do have the experience say that after some getting used to it actually works well enough (for the purpose). Since they are Traktor built, I guess lots of DJs utilize sync anyway because of all the other things they want to have going on from within Traktor (Stems, Remix decks, etx).

    Maybe the short pitches on better stuff are OK but I find my mixtrack is not fine enough

    Pitch sensitivty is the result of both pitch length and resolution coupled with range. Small length and low resolution leads to lesser performance, where you can only really get any kind of accuracy if you use the smallest range available (4-6bpm). By default this leads to the conclusion that long, high res faders are the best, and they are. But they take up a lot of real estate and generally speaking, high quality short(er) faders with high res will do very well, especially in the smaller ranges. So it really does depend on what kind of bpm range control you are typically looking for and even the percentage of the time you manually beat match and when you use sync (no shame in that imho).

    You are well on your way of defining your workflow. And from there you can pick your software of choice. The Big Three have morphed into the Major Six as far as I am concerned:
    * Traktor (works best with Traktor gear and vice versa)
    * Serato
    * RekordBox DJ
    * Virtual DJ
    * DJay Pro (Mac only)
    * Mixvibes Cross

    Personally I have never subscribed to the whole Pioneer hype. Lot’s of it has been marketing and outlandish pricing. And I have been a Denon DJ user since way way back and that love still sticks based on functionality and build quality. I have always felt that Denon has a better eye for what the mobile DJ wants than any of the other brands. And being a (mainly) mobile DJ that is important to me.

    One of the most promising controllers for me personally is the MCX8000. Again, great for mobile jocks, bit overkill for your style of DJ-ing perhaps. Clearly Pioneer has some serious controllers. And depending on your software choice you can go for the S or R series.

    As far as getting laughed at:
    a) don’t worry about it. If you show up with a controller (even the big ones) you might get laughed at by the CDJ boys, if you show up with CDJs you can get laughed at by the vinyl boys and if you show up with vinyl, you might get laughed at by all the others for being a dinosaur (not likely but still).
    b) let your music do the talking. Rock that house and know it and you don’t have to worry what others think.
    c) the only people that even care what gear you use are “fellow” DJs, the only people in the house that really matter are the audience. Be sure you know who you are there for.
    d) just shrug it off and do your thing.

    #2398101
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    Awesome response . I kind of wondered if pioneer was a bit dearer than it should be , the thing that draws me to it is the ease of resale aswell . I have a set of really lovely to use citronic vinyl decks but I can’t seem to sell them . If they were technics they’d be gone instantly lol .

    I really like serato intro so I can only imagine that serato dj is even better so I think I will probably lean towards a serato based controller . That said I’ve used a pair of nexus cdj’s recently using a USB stick and the recordbox seemed to work well .

    I manually beat match most of the time but I do use the on screen bpm guides. I think using sync is fine to especially if your bringing a lot into your mix , but I generally play break beat hardcore from around 94 and 95 so i tend to mix as if I’m still using vinyl . I don’t really go heavy with effects etc .

    I like the look of the numark nv but wonder if Id be paying for screens I don’t really need and for the same money a controller without screens may offer more features . Also no jog illumination

    The pioneer sr looks great bar the shirt faders (although this may be a non issue) and no jog wheel illumination . I like the sx but it’s bigger than I need and the only things it has the sr doesn’t for me is the long pitch and illuminating jog centres

    I’ve looked at denon stuff . What one do you have ? I like the 4000 but once you pay for full serato may aswell just buy the 6000

    Thanks for the info on the pitch controls with that info is invaluable and will prevent me writing off a controller that had everything I want but long faders .

    Im very much one for moving with the times tbh . Yes vinyls lovely to mess about with , it’s also expensive and takes up a lot of room which I don’t really have lol . I just see it as moving forward

    I’ve seen slipmatt and Billy Daniel bunter using controllers . I think even to a point cdj’s have had there day unless they are the ones that take a usb key .

    For me the controller seems to be the most rounded choice

    Lots to consider . Cheers for your input

    #2398131
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Denon: As said, primarily aimed at mobile DJ’s. I have had the MC6000 mk1, the mk2 is as strong (built like the proverbial tank) but layed out slightly more clever to give DJs a bit of extra finger space. Jogs are very high quality but not the biggest.

    The 4000 has a bit more modern look and feel, as well as not being as cramped as the 6000. The 3000 is discontinued for a while now, so I’d always opt for 4000. Denon jogs have no visual indicators (bar on the MCX8000), so they’d not be suitable for you.

    Personally I don’t really care about visual indicators. Having played on stuff that never had it for the longest time, you learn to use other indicators (open channel fader, position crossfader, nowadays laptop scree, etx). Another “trick” if you like is to leave the cue button on for your next track. It serves as a simple reminder of what channel to start, especially when there is all sorts of stuff going on in the booth.

    Agreed on the CDJs, even with RekordBox USB they are only slightly better than the CDJs without. And it would take Nexus2 players at 2k a piece to get the full info out of them in hi-res color screens. And still you’d be lacking hardwired features you’d have on a controller. BTW, don’t mistake RekordBox (for USB on CDJs) with RekordBox DJ, the latter being full-fledged DJ software that needs a laptop/computer to run.

    #2398211
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    I know someone with nexus 2s and they are lovely but I’d never spend that amount on a home setup . I don’t have it but I think it’s crazy money.

    Tbh I thing the visual jog indicators are going to be one of the things that’s going to be compromised . Nothing in the 500 quid bracket has them

    I like the denon but I like a half decent sized jog wheel . My mixtrack are about cd sized

    #2398261
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    The Denon’s are about 105mm (say slightly more than 4″), the ones on the MC4000 are different and do look slightly bigger – bit like the MTP ones – but don’t know for sure. The pitchfader on the MC4000 is a nice, longish 100mm/4″.

    #2398281
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    Yeah the pitch fader did stand out to me tbh . Think I need to see one in the flesh

    #2398411
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    And funny enough I do totally agree with Vintage. What is especially off putting for me with Pioneer is, that they ask 800-1000 bucks for controllers that are not as durable as Denons cheaper offerings.

    #2398681
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    I think I may have found what I’m after . Numark ns6 . Has lit jog wheels and i like the jogs on my mixtrack the only thing it has I dint really want is its 4 channel . It seems that numark used to do lit jogs on a variety of models but no longer bother . I like the denon stiff but the jogs look a bit small . And I like pioneer but think the prices are crazy unless I go for a ddjs1 which I know is an older unit

    #2398901
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    The NS6 is also past its prime…

    #2399691
    5miiks
    Participant

    I second what Terry said. I used to own NS6. It lacks newer functions and my experiences from the unit wasn’t.. very good. Random crashes here and there out of nowhere. I’d rather take DDJ-SB2 (or any lower end controller that has modern functions) than NS6

    #2401401
    Dj goonie
    Participant

    Thanks for the tips on the ns6 . Maybe I won’t then lol

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