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Callum Taylor.
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January 3, 2016 at 6:18 pm #2330281
Tyler Bond
ParticipantHi Callum and welcome! I’m sure someone more experienced will be along shortly to give you some advice but for now I’d just like to say a big hello and all the best with your goals!
Peace
Tyler
January 3, 2016 at 6:20 pm #2330291ThinAir
ParticipantHi Callum, welcome along!
It sounds like you are talking about harmonic mixing techniques/Mixing in Key… There are loads of videos on YouTube that will help you with this.
There are a couple of options: I use something called Mixed in Key which analyses the tracks and gives you an idea of what musical key the tracks are in using something called the Camelot System: http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/howto.aspx <—Some more info about that can be found there…
Essentially, you need to know which musical keys sound good when they are mixed with each other (How many sharps and flats the musical key has in it). Most house music is written in minor keys (which make the music sound “sad”, as opposed to major keys which have a “happier” sound). It will often sound “clashy”, if you try and mix a major sounding song with a minor sounding song.
Unfortunately, Mixed in Key is a paid application, but there are plenty of apps out there that will do the job of analysis for you if you are not musically minded. I think he free version of Traktor will do this for you, as will Rekord box, but they use a different system of letters and numbers.
The other things you need to consider when selecting tracks are things such as Tempo (how fast or slow the music is), what musical styles you are mixing… for example, a drum and bass track may not mix well with say a deep house track because of the big difference in Tempo.
I know I have just hit you with a huge amount of information, but do some googling and have a look around this site and you will find lots of useful videos: Useful search terms might be harmonic dj mixing/mixing harmonically/how to mix tracks in key/the camelot system.
Good luck and let us know how you get on, and if you need to ask some more, go ahead. I have only been here a couple of days and can already see there are a ton of people who are more than happy to help!
Enjoy!
January 4, 2016 at 2:48 am #2330391Callum Taylor
ParticipantThanks, I was a bit confused but now it’s much clearer although I did a mix of Levels original version by avicii and changes original mix by Faul, Pnau, Wad AD and they are at the same BPM but a different key, Changes is in G minor and Levels is in E yet in my opinion they mix great do you know why this is? I know how to musically count like 1234, 2234, 3234 and 4234 and the beats were in sync (I can’t manually do it by ear yet) also do you always need to mix in key?
January 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm #2330591DJ Vintage
ModeratorHi Callum, welcome to the forums. Enjoy!
Tip: save (or talk your folks into paying) for the How to Digital DJ Fast course or (cheaper for iPad DJ’s) get the iBook by Phil Morse on how to iPad DJ with DJay (2, but is as valuable for Pro).
January 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm #2330691ThinAir
ParticipantYou’re welcome…
Songs don’t necessarily have to be in the same key for them to sound good together: For example a song in Gminor, would mix well with a song in Bb Major. That is because although they are different keys, they share the same key signature, that is they have the same number of sharps and/or flats in the key signature.
To expand on this (I’m making an assumption that you have no musical training, if this is wrong then please forgive me!!!), take the key of C major.
You would play a scale of C major by playing the note ‘C’ on the piano, and then playing every white note in between until you came to another ‘C’… C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C (A complete scale would consist of 8 notes, or an Octave. A scale can consist of several octaves, but we are keeping this simple). The key of C major has not flats or sharps in it.
The relative minor of C major, is ‘A’ minor. This also has no sharps or flats in it. To play this scale, you would play the note ‘A’ on the piano and then play every white note in between until you get to the next ‘A’… A, B, C, D, E, F, G, A. This would be one octave of an A-Minor scale.
The same rules apply as you move throughout the scales.
You can find a list of the major keys and their relative minors on this website… http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/lesson.php?id=282
I know its a guitar website, but the principles remain the same (The table is about half way down the site).
As for rules; in music people make their own rules.
What sounds good to one person might not to the next. Its very subjective.
How the rules of music have been “stuck to”, has changed massively as music developed and continues to change as music develops – music is organic and constantly changing. For example, if someone gave you the start of a piece of piano music by Bach, and asked you to complete it, there are a very strict set of rules as to how you would go about completing it. Its very difficult, but with practice it can be done (It was taught a lot in the first year of my music degree). There have hundreds of books written on the subject!
As music developed, people moved away from these strict rules and the results have not always been well received. Take for example a piece called “The Rite of Spring”, by Stravinsky. When this was first played to the public almost 103 years ago , it literally caused a riot; some people loved it, some people hated it – it was very different to what people were used to hearing.
Move on to the 1920’s and a composer called Arnold Schoenberg and you come across something called the 12 note tone row. He devised a system where he would choose 12 different notes and arrange them into a row. He would then compose a piece of music by using these notes, but not allowing himself to repeat a note until he had used all 12 of the notes in the row… the pieces he created are somewhat an acquired taste.
At the other end of the spectrum is 4′ 33″ by John Cage. This piece starts when someone presses start on a stop watch, waits for (you guessed it) 4 minutes and 33 seconds and does nothing, before pressing stop, which signals the end of the piece. Cage would argue that the sounds that occupied this space in time (someone coughing, a chair squeaking, a police going past with it sirens on) were the music. Consequently, no two pieces will ever be exactly the same length and will never be identical. Different people will hear different things and no two people will experience the music in the same way?
So why all the rambling? The point I am trying to make is that you should stick to the basics, and then make your own rules. Develop your own style.
No. You don’t always have to mix in key. Laid-back Luke is a massive advocate of the mixed in key software, but then in a recent seminar he gave at ADE, he told us that he was moving away from harmonic mixing and playing what the crowd and he wanted to hear. You’ll find that sometimes, moving to a completely unrelated key is a great way to lift or chill your set out, depending on which you go.
Music won’t always obey the rules, sometimes two tracks that are in seemingly unrelated keys will sound great together. There might not be any other that they sound great together than “They just do”.
They key is experimenting and finding what sounds good to you and what your dance floor wants to hear. People will request tracks from you, and I can guarantee they won’t have stood talking to each other to make sure that they have chosen tracks that are in the same or complimentary keys… people will want you to play what they want to hear.
I know some reading materials and courses have already been suggested to you. One book that I found really helpful was “How to DJ Right: The Art and Science of Playing Records”, by Bill Brewster and Frank Broughton. You’ll find a used copy on Amazon for Pennies/Cents/Whatever plus P&P/S&H/Local Equivalent….
There is no substitute for experience… Listen to other people playing (You’re probably a little young for attending club nights and raves, but there are thousands upon thousands of videos on youtube), get to know your tracks, stay organised, play out as often as your can and practice, practice, practice!!! I’m also a big advocate of recording your practice sessions and listening back to them – what sounded great when you were mixing might not sound so good second time around and you can figure out why, and what seemed like an absolute train wreck of a mix might not sound so bad when you listen back to it. Be self critical… self praise is no praise. The one guaranteed way to make zero progress is to listen to yourself and think “F**k yeah I’m awesome”. Even the best DJ’s in the world make mistakes, but they acknowledge them and learn from them. Thats why they are the best!
Sorry for the massive post everyone, I just went off on one and before I knew it, War and Peace had occurred. But I’ll be happy if someone learns just 1 thing from it!
Enjoy!
January 4, 2016 at 9:54 pm #2330871deathy
ParticipantHi, Callum, welcome!
January 5, 2016 at 5:24 pm #2331241Callum Taylor
ParticipantThanks I’ve already bought and read the iBook and it was very helpful to me and it’s improved my skills. I thought about buying the how to digital DJ fast course but I wasn’t sure how relevant it would be to me because I only use the iPad what do you think?
January 5, 2016 at 5:43 pm #2331251Callum Taylor
ParticipantThanks so much thin air that’s extremely helpful, I’ve just done what you’ve said and my mixes are sounding much better and the balance of sound (Bass, mid, Treble) are complementing each other more. Many thanks
January 5, 2016 at 5:44 pm #2331261Callum Taylor
ParticipantThanks for the support deathy
January 5, 2016 at 6:14 pm #2331271deathy
ParticipantCallum – The course isn’t specific to any platform or software… if you have an iPad with, say, an iDJ controller, then the course will still have relevance for you.
However, if you mean that you use an iPad exclusively with nothing additional, then while you would get some benefit from the course, there would be some things it will go over that you won’t really have an easy time doing. That’s not to say you wouldn’t still get a fair amount of benefit, though, but, yeah… a controller really helps a lot with DJing.
January 5, 2016 at 11:15 pm #2331521ThinAir
ParticipantCallum, you’re welcome. Sorry it was a bit of a long post, but I get bogged with too much detail sometime. Glad you took something away from it though!
January 6, 2016 at 10:32 am #2331801DJ Vintage
ModeratorOk folks, I won’t close the topic in case others want to say welcome to the OP, but I do believe it has run it’s course. It was an introduction turned long post about something else. If you feel the topic needs further expansion, please create a new topic in the appropriate forum.
January 7, 2016 at 9:54 pm #2332861Callum Taylor
ParticipantOk sorry I didn’t realise you can close it now if you want
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