Choosing between Serato and Traktor – specific questions/functionality
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December 16, 2015 at 8:36 am #2318601
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ParticipantThere are others who will hopefully weigh in with more detail than what I’m providing here, but based on what you’ve just described, I’m pretty sure both pieces of software will do what you want.
Since you are leaning toward the SX2, I’m pretty sure you get a license from Serato included in the price of admission, so even if you do end up on Traktor, you’ll own both pieces of software… I’d say spend some time with Serato, see if it works for you, then download the demo of Traktor Pro 2 if you find Serato to not feel right for you.
The downside to this is, if you DO end up in Traktor, then… you’d’ve been better off getting the S4, as the HID mode will still be better, even if you aren’t going to be scratching. However, not enough to REALLY care all that much, I do do a little bit of scratching, and not owning a Traktor device didn’t impact my experience in a why that I could feel.
December 16, 2015 at 8:46 am #2318621DJ Vintage
ModeratorHaving said that … Traktor makes no secrets about it’s future lack of support for third-party controllers. The current version 2.x was around when Traktor was still the go-to software for many controllers, hence the fact that there are still quite a few mappings around. Since, the tables have turned and Serato now comes with most new controllers and Traktor with none, bar the NI controllers of course. With version 2.x about ready for a new update, there is no saying how much support version 3.x will have for non-NI controllers, if any. And most likely old mappings wouldn’t work anymore. So to stay on the safe side I’d advise to stick with NI controllers if you are going Traktor.
Further, you may want to reconsider hedging your bets by using two software platforms. In order to have your collection well prepped you will be spending a decent amount of time doing all those things you mentioned (beatgridding, cue points, loops). Those don’t transfer well to other software. So you will have to do it all twice!
To switch between from Serato to Traktor you also need to switch the SX2 into non-Serato mode, which requires holding a combination of buttons on reboot. No on the fly switching therefor.
Slipmode keeps the track playing, but in the background, as soon as whatever you did ends, it will pick up where it would have been had you done nothing. I am pretty sure you don’t get to hear the tracks play underneath.
However, it would be simple enough to store an actual looped sample and put that under a performance pad. It would then play in the sampler/remix deck and you would have both sounds going.December 16, 2015 at 8:49 am #2318641Pavi
ParticipantThanks for the replies.
Yeah Deathy, Serato comes with the SX2 so I’d begin with that (as long as it can do the things I’ve asked about) and only switch to Traktor if there’s something important missing.
To be honest, even if I end up using Traktor I think I may be happier using it with the SX2 rather than the S4 – I really love the feel of the SX2, whereas the S4 felt a little bit “lightweight”, even though functionally it’s great.
But if what you say is true, DJ Vintage, and that may not be possible after Traktor updates, I guess I’d just have to decide if the current Traktor version is good enough for eternity…
December 16, 2015 at 9:04 am #2318701Pavi
Participant“However, it would be simple enough to store an actual looped sample and put that under a performance pad. It would then play in the sampler/remix deck and you would have both sounds going.”
This would be fine, if I know I can save multiple loops for each track. I’ve looked through the Serato manual and also asked a couple of people at DJ shops and been told that Serato only saves cue points, not loops…although that sounds like a really basic function to be missing.
Also with Performance pads, can they trigger a sample and continue to loop indefinitely, or do they only play while they are being pressed and jump back to the track when released? (sorry, maybe dumb question, but for me performance pads are a completely new thing…)
December 16, 2015 at 5:21 pm #2318741DJ Vintage
ModeratorYep, mostly performance pads have multiple functions (like cue points), among which is usually samples. And samples can be set to single shot or loop and – obviously – triggered to run beat synced.
December 17, 2015 at 12:36 am #2319271Craig
ParticipantNo expert, but long-time Serato user
1. Don’t discount Serato Flip where you can save a whole bunch of loops, triggered cue points and that kind of stuff. I’ve never done it, but I’m certain you can save loops in Serato
2. Your SX will give you 4 channels, meaning you could have the same track playing on two decks. You could loop one deck and just play the other as normal.
3. Vintage summed up Slip Mode nicely
4. Don’t know, almost zero exposure to Traktor.
5.Vintage covered this off as well.Like someone else said above, you’ll be getting Serato with the SX2 so use that first then you can switch if you don’t like it. Could save you time and money that way.
Good luck man.
December 17, 2015 at 4:20 am #2319811Pavi
ParticipantThanks for the feedback, everyone. Really appreciated.
It sounds like Serato does some things in a slightly less obvious way, but can still do everything I need.
Next step – go out and get that SX2!
December 17, 2015 at 5:43 am #2320111deathy
ParticipantWhether it’s obvious or not probably depends more on you… many people find Traktor’s interface to be confusing. If you have any experience with old school trackers, though (SoundTracker on the Amiga, or FastTracker on the PC, to name a couple), then you’ll probably like Traktor’s interface just fine.
December 17, 2015 at 6:00 am #2320121Pavi
ParticipantYeah, it definitely all depends on our own experience.
My previous experience is fully manual with CD decks – they had a single Loop In/Out/Reloop buttons right there on the deck, so for me the most “obvious” way to implement multiple loops would be to use the SX2 performance pads and then simply:
1. Choose a master “Loop Mode” button
2. Choose a performance pad
3. Hit the Loop In/Out buttons to save a new loop to that padI haven’t used any DJ software other than trialling in-store.
Serato seems pretty intuitive and I really like the waveforms displayed next to each other. But the basic effects I tried seemed pretty awful compared to Traktor. For example the Flanger on Traktor sounded much cleaner and smoother than Serato’s, and the Reverb sounded much more “natural”.December 17, 2015 at 9:30 am #2320481deathy
ParticipantYeah, Serato is supposed to be closer to the “two turntables/CDJs and a mixer” paradigm, and getting more and more so all the time (or, more specifically, Traktor is getting less so).
December 17, 2015 at 9:35 am #2320501deathy
ParticipantIt occurs to me… you mention effects. It might also be worth it for you to take a look at VirtualDJ… it allows you to use VSTs for your effects, so you’re not restricted to the effects the developers built for you. It’s funny, but the folks making the DJ programs don’t seem to be as good at coding effects.
December 17, 2015 at 3:55 pm #2320771Pavi
ParticipantWould be great if all the main software allowed external effects to be loaded. In fact I can’t see why they don’t, as I think it would be a big plus for prospective buyers.
December 17, 2015 at 4:37 pm #2320781DJ Vintage
ModeratorYou can get FX packs in Serato if I am not mistaken.
December 17, 2015 at 5:17 pm #2320831Pavi
ParticipantYes, you can, but they’re still preset Serato-made FX. And most are the kind of things you’d rarely ever use.
https://serato.com/dj/expansion-packs/fx#chippack
You can’t load externally sourced FX with Serato as far as I can tell.I’m not someone who uses FX a lot, certainly not all these weird ones which twist keys and mutilate the sound. I’d just like some very good quality basic FX – delay, reverb, flange etc. And as I said, the basic Serato FX sound far less clean or natural than the Traktor FX.
This video compares many side by side: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZIw1xOhWws
December 18, 2015 at 11:38 am #2321911DJ Vintage
ModeratorFrankly, when Serato started making way into the – then – predominantly Traktor-ruled controller market, one of the main things you read about was the quality of the FX. While they don’t let you use third party plug ins (which is a good thing, trust me, I have used many as a sound engineer and not all plug ins are created equal), not in the last place because Serato likes to guarantee the “out of the box” behavior, they did team up with Izotope.
As a certified sound engineer I can safely state that my experiences with Izotope plugins/fx are absolutely good. They sit on my preferred supplier list for plugins.
So, any “BIG” difference between Traktor and Serato will be perceived, as the Izotope FX are high quality and while I am not saying there isn’t better out there, the differences will most often be only relevant on a personal taste level (some reverbs sound warmer than others, neither is bad, but you get to pick which you like) or small enough to not make for an easy this/that choice. Also, when it comes to these things, if you want to get really better stuff, you have to move up to more limited producers, say that only make one reverb. That particular reverb might sound better, but it will be exponentially more expensive.
Maybe even more important, we are advocates here of “less is more” when it comes to use of FX. A few times a night is usually plenty. Clearly there are situations where you’d do different, but contrary to popular belief, the audience isn’t all that hyped by all kinds of FX. And also you won’t be doing a clear A/B comparison between two reverbs in a mix. I am more than positive that whichever you use (Traktor or Serato) you will get the FX out of it you like and that nobody in the audience will approach you about the quality.
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