What do the "pros" practice on?
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November 26, 2015 at 10:26 pm #2305391
DJ Vintage
ModeratorIf you have read earlier posts on the forums here about this subject (and you really should have, it’s why we have a search option), you will have run into our “belief” if you will, that what you consider PRO and CLUB gear and better than controllers is a passed station. Any starter controller with a laptop with good DJ software has more features and allows for greater creative flexibility/freedom than most/all club setups.
While getting used to, this is true for all controllers. If you are familiar with Pioneer club gear, the DDJ-SX2 and DDJ-SZ as well as their new RekordBox DJ counterparts will give you just about the same “feel” as club gear.
Even the big name clubs (our preferred example here being Ministry of Sound) now expect DJs to bring their own gear (controllers). They still have and supply Nexus setups but often times just for backup.
Imho a move to club gear is no longer something to strive for. It’s like owning a compact car and striving to own a 4-horse carriage because the pro’s used that. It makes more sense to strive for a bigger, faster car.
In your case I’d suggest that once you are comfortable with your DJ software and, more importantly, your workflow you know full well what features you want in your next controller. Aim for that upgrade and forget about “holding back” and practicing on club gear. What’s to practice? It has a play and a cue button, a tempo fader, a few cue & loop buttons. Nothing that you don’t have on your controller. Even a CDJ2000 Nexus doesn’t have samplers, performance pads and the likes.
My advice would be to take the gear you have and get out there and play at as many places as you can. Friend’s birthdays, student frat parties if you are in college, house parties, garden/pool parties, beach getogethers, anything to play out in front of an audience. That is where you turn from bedroom DJ to “real” DJ.
Take it from an old hand like me. When you play out, that expecting crowd out there is going to be way more impressive than the fact that you have some different gear in front of you.
In order of importance for DJ-ing:
1) Music selection: “Know what must come next”
2) Intimacy with your (core) DJ music collection
3) Technical skills: Basic clean transitions, modest but accurate use of FX, stuff like that
4) Experience on particular gear (again, it’s all the same in the end)Just my two cents as usual.
P.S. If you really wanna feel what club gear is like, go to your local DJ gear rental place. Ask if they will rent you a Nexus set for a few weekdays (those things otherwise just sit in storage til the next weekend so you can get a really good deal). Set it up at home, play with it for two days and I guarantee, the magic (oooooh) factor will be gone and you will know that it’s just another way of doing what needs to be done, which is getting the right track out at the right time.
November 26, 2015 at 10:36 pm #2305431DJ Vintage
ModeratorAs for the actual question.
Pro’s don’t really practice that much anymore. They know they can beat match, they know how to use FX, etx.
What they ARE doing, is music discovery, finding those few tracks each month that deserve to enter their collection. Making sure they know those tracks intimately and that they are properly tagged, keyed, and beat gridded.
Also they are prepping for gigs. Going through that collection and making new playlist, selecting what to bring to the next gig.Back in the day when I still felt I needed to practice the technical skills and I had a residency, I’d go in in the afternoon and fiddle around for 1-2 hours, often running a tape. I’d then listen to the tape over the next day to find out what I could have done better.
November 26, 2015 at 11:03 pm #2305471Nathan Kelly
ParticipantAs always, you make great points, Vintage.
I 100 per cent agree that controllers offer more in terms of features and flexibility. What they don’t (and will never) offer is the ability to show up to a venue with a USB stick, headphones and nothing else. They don’t offer the ability to hand off quickly and easily without having to fiddle around behind the mixer to unplug sound cards/controllers.
So yes, I totally buy into the “belief” here that controllers are awesome. I love playing on my controller and it’s great for MOST cases. What I don’t love is carrying it around all over town and worrying about someone spilling a vodka cranberry on my $3000 laptop. (I play in smaller bars and clubs, close quarters.)
I’m totally comfortable with my controller workflow and I fully realize nobody but other DJs care at all what gear you’re using. It’s fully a matter of logistics and convenience for me. Sometimes I want the freedom to carry barely anything so I can play an opening set somewhere, then head to an afterparty at another place without carrying around a gig bag full of expensive gear.
What’s to practice is forcing yourself to play without sync, without visual aids in many cases, and without the bells and whistles of software. To get muscle memory on common mixers/CDJs so it’s second nature to play on them in stressful, nerve-wracking gigs.
I don’t buy into the bullshit that “real” DJing is only on vinyl/CDJs. I just want to get comfortable on those setups for the gigs where it makes sense to use what’s there.
November 26, 2015 at 11:29 pm #2305481DJ Vintage
ModeratorValid points. At places like MoS the engineers are totally geared to help smooth transitions between DJs even if both come in with their own controllers. Most DJs bring a laptop anyway (whether they hook up the Nexus players for HID or controller use is secondary), so no “profit” there.
Being worried about your laptop getting stuff spilled on is valid issue too, albeit it one that I believe comes with the territory. I played on a ship a few weeks that had a faulty steering. The skipper ran (slowly) into the bottom of a bridge. Since I was in the front facing backwards I had no early warning. I came THIS close to having my controller fly off the desk and onto the floor, which at the very least would have killed some cable connections. It work gear and you run a chance of it getting damaged when used.
I guess you can’t race in Formula 1 if you are afraid you might crash your car in a sudden rain shower.
I am a mobile DJ and as such always bring a minivan type of car with gear, carrying more or less stuff around is never an issue. In my wallet I will usually have a USB stick in case I find myself in a situation with “club gear” and a strong desire/need to do and impromptu gig. And on my keychain is a DJ-splitter to turn my phone into a mini DJ setup in minutes with my regular phone in-ears.
Practicing the things you mention like beat matching manually can be done without the visual aid the laptop offers (toss a tea cloth over it and you don’t even get BPM info LOL.
And yes, lack of muscle memory might cause an extra mistake or two, but only shows there is an actual human behind the decks.
My experience is (and I play a LOT less on club gear than I used to) that it takes me a while (about 5-10 transitions/tracks) to be back in the zone again. This is about as long as I need when I play on gear I haven’t played on before.One of things I love about digital DJ-ing is the track management aspect of it. When I am tossed back to turn/press a knob navigation on CDJs I get really jittery being so used to having a keyboard, mouse and lots of screen real estate at my disposal. Not being able to find the next track in time has me way more worried than being able to hit the right buttons in a transition.
I even carry my core collection with me on CD (triple redundancy and all that) and I sometimes will not even bother myself with USB sticks but just use the CDs. Everyone has his/her own favorite way of working.
Again, if you feel you need to practice some on the actual gear, renting it is an option. Another option is to just go to a place with gear and ask if there is a way you could come in before opening and practice some (you could even offer to come in and play on slow days in exchange for the practice option.
Maybe it’s the many years (going 39 next year) on the decks, but I find very few gigs truly nerve-wracking anymore. I do realize the responsibility I have at events like weddings that are a “one chance only” deal. But the “stress” there is more on the music selection part and can you move the audience than it is worrying if all my transitions will be perfect of hitting a wrong button once in a while. Experience plus age have probably put me in a place where I still have some jitters before going on for really big/important events, but I don’t take myself so seriously anymore. And funnily enough that gives me the peace of mind and calmness to deal with most situations without freaking out.
I have a small gig (unexpected to do someone a favor that lost his live band 5 days before the party) coming up in Germany this weekend. It is themed, so I have been busy getting, selecting and prepping tracks and a few playlists for it. I haven’t bothered getting my controller out of storage to practice. I am doing all prep work on my 6-core desktop with fast SSDs in it. All that is left to do now is run the new iTunes playlists through beat gridding and I am done.
November 27, 2015 at 4:56 am #2305551Todd Oddity
ParticipantI’m just going to quickly second what Vintage has written as I dealt with this exact situation last weekend.
Most of the bars and clubs around me long ago stopped providing equipment (or useful equipment anyway), so I normally have to cart my own gear around. Last weekend I played somewhere that had actually gone out and got themselves a full Nexus setup. Having not played on a Pioneer CDJ in years, the learning curve was still just a few minutes (and that includes figuring out how to plug in my laptop to them). I just had to reacquaint myself with the sensitivity of the jog wheel compared to what I usually use.
Fundamentally any controller is a set of buttons and a jog. Any mixer is a set of faders and knobs. The learning curve should be quick. Yes, each will have a slightly different feel to it, but it only takes a couple of mixes to get used to.
November 27, 2015 at 7:19 am #2305561DJ Chris Bush
ParticipantIf your equipment fails it’s your fault. If provided equipment fails, it’s the booker’s fault.
Very important difference when it comes to money.The “drinks too close to equipment” situation happens to me all the time. A good practice is to agree with the venue in advance that they will pay for any damages to your stuff by guests.
November 27, 2015 at 7:58 am #2305571DJ Vintage
Moderator+1 on the drinks spilled issue. It’s in my contract for mobile gigs.
As for failing equipment, true. Not something I fret about too much. With my iPhone in my pocket, my iPad in my backback and generally a set of USB sticks and CD’s there as well I am 100% confident that I can keep going in 99.9% of the cases LOL.
Gotta love digital DJ-ing!November 27, 2015 at 8:54 am #2305631Terry_42
KeymasterMy 2ct:
I play in a bar regulary – they have a PA and a small house mixer (PA mixer not DJ mixer) and nothing else. So you have to bring your own gear.I play in a club regulary – actually a very big one – they had a full Nexus setup until last month, when they sold the whole thing. They now still have an A&H DJ mixer and to each side of it they have a connector board so you do not need to fiddle behind the mixer. Something their house tech made, very neat. But end of story: Bring your own mixer. (They have to dated Denon CDJs for backup, but they have no real features beside a pitch fader and one cue button)
I play on at least 2-3 festivals per year: All have moved to bring your own device, unless for superstar DJs who can order what to have on the stage (as most of the time it will be playback anyways).
I play on a lot of events with a local sound company: They sold all their 8 Nexus setups and now only provide up to the PA mixer and cables. So basically you show up with your gear but without cables and they hook you up.
So long story short: Within 2 years all my business associates have moved away from the classic setup. Showing up with a USB stick is no longer an option. We have some smaller clubs who still have CDJs, but they have so old gear that I would not use it if my live depended on it.
So what do I practice on: Well as Vintage said we do not practice a lot, but what I like to do: If I bought or got a bunch of new tunes, I make a playlist and hook up my controller and have a go at them, to get the feel for the new tracks, set some cue or loops and integrate them into my sets. But I do all on the same controller that I use live or at home.
(and I just got an email that the club that sold the Nexus actually will get a DDJ-RZ, so you can move from show up with USB to show up with MacBook)November 27, 2015 at 12:43 pm #2305911DJ Vintage
ModeratorI forgot to mention, I have a Denon SC2000 which is effectively a two-deck controller in a small case that I hook up next to my keyboard at my desktop. So I do have all the normal controls there to operate the deck when prepping tracks and such. Just don’t do mixes (or a quick one with the mouse on the x-fader in the software) or transitions. But I can try anything else like cue points, fx (there are fx buttons on the controller just like on my BIG one), loops and tempo changes without touching my mouse or keyboard.
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