Home 2023 Forums Digital DJ Gear Pioneer S-DJ05 or S-DJ50x? … or may be Rokit 5?

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  • #2284771
    Todd Oddity
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    An important question to ask yourself…

    Do you want something for producing, for general listening at home, or for playing out?
    These tasks will generally require a different type of speaker, and compromises will be made if it checks off two or more of these categories.

    Haven’t heard the Pioneers personally, so can’t comment, but the KRKs are seriously bass heavy (probably why so many DJs love them). This makes them better for listening to playback than for producing as you would have a hard time getting accurate (flat) sound out of them.

    That said, studio monitors are an immensely personal choice, because every speaker has a unique sound, and every room has unique acoustics. Always good to try and find somewhere to listen to them, and then to buy them from somewhere that will let you exchange should you get them home and not like how they sound in your space. I fully expected to buy KRKs when I went shopping, but ended up going in a totally different direction.

    #2284911
    David Bauer
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    I need a good compromise.
    I want some good speakers standing 0,5m away from me on my desk. Right now I’m already creating mashups and re-edit songs. But my speakers are not good for that and they are in 2 different corners in my room now.

    There are 2 articles on DigitalDjTips about the S-DJ05s and the S-DJ50Xs. And I hope the author could help me which had are better. The 05s are from 2012 and the original price was about 700-900$. The 50Xs now are 150$ each (new!). So there is a little difference and I’m asking myself if you can hear the difference.

    Not sure if the Rokits are too heavy when standing 0,5m away from me.

    #2285341
    bob6397
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    I have used a pair of Rokit 5’s a few times (I mixed – as in multi-track audio mixing – on them in a studio for a while last year. They aren’t bass heavy at all – In fact I found that I kept turning the bass up on certain instruments and then had to compensate when I listened to my mix through different systems..

    They sound good – But you really don’t need monitors that accurate for DJ practice, but you do need them if you are producing.

    Also have a look at the Yamaha HS7 – £144 a side, apparently flatter freq. response than the KRK’s (which have a noticeable dip in the mid range)…

    bob6397

    #2285561
    David Bauer
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    OK, so… when I think about, i wanna use these monitors 70/30 for producing/dj-practice.
    When I say producing, I mean… re-editing , mashing up, remixing songs. I will not be that High-end producer at first.

    Some other thoughts: I dont have a Mac oder Laptop. I’ve got a classic tower with on-board sound (yes it’s okay to laugh^^).
    So I thought about an USB audio interface like the Native Instruments Audio 2. It’s small, it’s cheap and it’s good hardware with 24bit Audio. Think it is a good thing to start with. I know many producers use the Apogee but it is too expensive for me.
    The NI Audio 2 has 2x 3.5 headphone jacks. I want to buy an 3.5-to-XLR cable …. so I can feed the monitors via XLR.
    Is there a loss of quality if the sound signal goes through USB to 3.5 back to XLR?

    Thanks for your help.

    #2285761
    Todd Oddity
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    The USB to analogue conversion will be happening regardless, so no need to worry much about that as long as you are using a solid sound card (someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the NI-A2 should be just fine).

    With regards to the cables, yes – in theory the more adaptors/junctions/conversions you have to put into a line, there can be sound degradation, however it isn’t likely to be anything noticeable on a very short run and on the grade of speakers we’re talking about here – so don’t worry about it either.

    #2286591
    bob6397
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    I would recommend the Focusrite Solo as an alterbative – it’s designed for recording/producing, it’s the same price (or slightly cheaper than) the Audio 2 and it has better hardware controls for volume etc..

    It also has a Mic input if you were considering adding vocals or live instruments to your productions in the future.

    I agree with Todd on the cables though – keep it as simple as you can. This is where having RCA outputs is helpful compared to 1 3.5mm (I thought it was 6.3?) jack on the back.. Also, you will find that most active monitors will take Jack and RCA inputs as well as XLR though.. Adaptors might not be required..

    bob6397

    #2286911
    DJ Vintage
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    I happen to disagree with the bass-heaviness of the KRKs. I would actually suggest NOT getting 5″ KRKs if you want them for either DJ production work or DJ practice, but go for the 6″.

    I used the KRKs for some sound engineering work. They work well once you have your ears “dialed-in” to them.

    If you don’t have to engineer raw recorded material and/or do heavy EQ work at the mastering stage, KRKs will do as will many other monitor speakers. The KRKs just happen to have a very nice price/performance ratio going. Most comparable monitors will run 10-20% higher in price.

    Clearly the Pioneers are fine also.

    Make no mistake though, in monitoring as in PA, you get what you pay for. The next step up is at least 2-4 times as expensive. Anything near pro level will run you around 1.000 bucks a speaker or (lots) more. Again this is only relevant for professional recording and mastering studios.

    #2287151
    David Bauer
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    Oh well…. the FOCUSRITE Solo seems to be a nice alternative. It’s #1 in the lower price segment at my favourite seller:
    http://www.thomann.de/de/usb_audio_interfaces.html?filter=true&oa=rat&price-first=0&price-last=99

    The direct comparison shows it offers more features but costs less:
    http://www.thomann.de/de/search_compare.html?pc=cb&art%5B%5D=324644&art%5B%5D=347322

    Seems to be a good choice, thanks for the advice! Its output is Cinch, so there should be no problem to find a cable Cinch->XLR. Or is it better to supply the monitors via RCA?

    #2287861
    DJ Vintage
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    At the distances you are talking about RCA (cinch) should work fine. Just get a decent cable, not the chinese crap that comes in the box with your home avr system. And don’t bother with gold-plated or monster cable either. Waste of money.

    In general it IS true that you can hear difference in some cable quality when you A/B compare cables in a full pro environment with the aforementioned VERY expensive monitors and a high end digital or analogue mixer. This is primarily true for XLR cables with microphones. Why? Because the signal level from a (dynamic) microphone is much lower than that of a line level (CD, controller, etx.) signal. Meaning the sound/noise ration and the noise floor play a lot bigger part in the equation.

    With the high line levels the s/r is usually so big that you can’t hear a difference. With a single source low level signal like a vocal on a mic this can make a difference.

    So, as a DJ running line level into monitor speakers, don’t worry about it.

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