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  • #2265861
    Miguel
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    Well Grant,

    you are where I was a few months ago.

    I can really relate to your situation; the information “out there” is overwhelming and usually skips the basics so you don’t even understand what you dont understand..:-)

    I will try to be as brief as I can:
    1. There are three main softwares that you can use for Djing; Traktor, Serato and Virtual DJ. Now there is also Pioneers new Rekordbox (+ few others) that is also a full DJ software and not just a preparation software like it was before. It will probably be very good but they just started with it a few days ago so you dont even have any good reviews about it yet. So for the moment stick to those three first ones…
    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-software/traktor-pro-2/
    https://serato.com/dj
    http://www.virtualdj.com/
    https://www.rekordbox.com/en/
    2. those softwares work with certain hardwares (controllers etc) and the basic rule is that Traktor works best with its own gear, Serato only works with certified hardware (it is mentioned on the gear) and Virtual DJ works with whatever they list on their pages. The controller controlls the software so when you play music you “play it” with that controller. Its that simple:-). You can use Traktor even straight from your laptop, but its easier and more fun with the controller.
    3. You can of course map this and that hardware to work with certain softwares but in the beginning its easiest to stick to those rules that I just mentioned…maybe even later too. With your budget its wisest to get a good controller (+software) and then once you learn more start piling up the gear:-)
    4. Serato is mainly about classical DJing with very good visuals to look at, Traktor is more producer oriented, because they add Remix decks and Stems to their system (I use Traktor and also have Serato) and Virtual DJs main thing is that you get to use their music collection…to be honest I do not know too much about VDJ, but hopefully someone can explain better.
    5. If you buy f.ex Traktors S2/S4 MK2 controllers you get their full DJ software included. Same goes for Serato controllers, but you just need to make sure they come with the full Serato DJ software and not for example Serato DJ intro which you will eventually want to upgrade quite soon. Same goes with Traktor (Traktor Pro software vs Traktor LE2 software). When you buy 2nd hand just make sure the sellers also gives the software serial numbers to you and also lets go of his rights to that software. That is done through the manufacturers webpage.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-controllers/
    https://serato.com/hardware/all/controllers
    http://www.virtualdj.com/
    http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/controller

    6. you need a decent computer (mac is better, but PC works too) and a set of headphones + speakers and your good to go. You can use your computers soundcard (if the controller does not have one) to hear what you play.

    So first decide the software Serato/Traktor/VDJ/Pioneer/other
    Then look for the controller that comes with the top software
    Get your laptop ready and make sure its “as fast as you want it to be”
    Get the headphones + almost any speakers (active) and thats it

    The rest you will figure out as you start doing it. The manuals in both Serato and Traktor are very good and easy to follow.

    DDJT has a very good catalogue about different controllers so pick that up and you’ll know more.

    I buy all my music from Beatport, DJ tunes & Itunes. The good thing about buying your music is of course that you support the people that make that music, but also since you need to pay for it you also need to think about it which is a very good thing once you start planning your sets… You will eventually find your own genre and hopefully people will appreciate that once you play live…

    Hope this helps a bit.

    Happy DJing,

    M

    ps. of course you can just get two turntables (for vinyl or CDJ) and a 2 channel mixer, but I guess thats not what you are looking for…

    #2265891
    Grant Hunter
    Participant

    Thanks for all the info! That gives me a bit more to look at. Think i’ll stick with traktor or serato for now, at least until rekordbox gets some more reviews.

    Am i right in saying that CDJs are more outdated now and i’d be better going for a DDJ controller? I’ve been looking mostly at pioneer’s controllers but going by what you say i’ll look into the software side more and let that determine my choice of controller.

    Computer wise i have a fairly decent hp laptop running windows 10 and i have beats studio headphones so all i really need are the speakers. I’ll have a look at beatport and dj tunes, never heard of either of them.

    Thanks again for the detailed reply and the links, really appreciate the help!

    #2265921
    Miguel
    Participant

    Well its a question of opinion.. Anyway I think Pioneer is about to release new “CDJs” any day/week/month (left side of DDJ-SZ/DDJ-RZ). The really old CDJs (like CDJ1000Mk3) can be used with control cds’ (just like turntables->DVS vinyl), but then you need a Mixer and DVS system and that costs. Then if you think of the Pioneer Nexus 2000/900 series which are top of the line at the moment, my opinion is that you should wait and see what happens, but also remembering that those or their future replacements are expensive. Better spend a little now and then once you use the system you end up with, you will know what to do in the future.. then you will probably spend quite a lot, but then you know what you’re spending for.

    Many of the Pioneer controllers come with Serato so there is no reason for you to skip them if you want Serato. Its just the last two models that work with their new software.. You’ll see all that on their website.

    Personally I like a combination; I have 2 Technics 1210 MK5s, 2 Traktor D2s and Xone DB4 mixer and use Traktor Scratch Pro 2. I am waiting what Pioneer will do and maybe (maybe) then its time to put the Technics aside at least for a while. I can not scratch, but working with the vinyls (even if DVS) is just pure fun. There is no real reason for me to use them:-)

    My first system was Traktor S4 MK2 + 2 F1s which I almost sold a month ago, but did not eventually and now that I joined the DDJT Scratch course for controllers I am more than happy I didn’t. Maybe after the course I will sell it, who knows. The F1s are awesome and I still use them even though the D2s can take care of almost everything, but there are a few things the F1s are better when it comes to the Remix decks. You’ll see if you end up with Traktor.

    One more thing; make the decision as soon as you feel comfortable, because you can really sink into this gear hell and postpone your DJing… I spent two months searching for answers day & night but luckily now I spend my time rehearsing and not speculating about the gear and If I do speculate its so much easier now that I am doing the thing these machines are for.

    Take care.

    M

    #2266241
    DJ Wyld1
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    I have used Virtual DJ for a few years now, and it’s actually really nice software. I would say it’s comparable to Serato as far as overall layout and functionality.

    -Virtual DJ offers a few more music management tools than Serato
    -Serato displays some information differently as well as some information that VDJ doesn’t.
    -Serto has the ability to use up to 4 decks;
    -VDJ has the ability to use up to 6.
    -Both have free downloads so you can download both and try them for free.

    VDJ 6 deck layout – I have tried using this maybe twice. To me it just looks too crowded and it seems a little more difficult to pick out the information I want from this layout. I really like the 4 deck layout of VDJ and I find it still easy enough to use without feeling overwhelmed. I find that switching from one deck to another on VDJ is pretty easy.

    Some controllers come with VDJ LE. Typically controllers that come with the software have skins (software layout) that looks a lot like the controller you are using. This makes it easy to learn with a beginner controller. However, the software can easily be used without a controller as well.

    VDJ has a lot of support on their website to include mapping downloads, a forum for any issues you might encounter and a list of controllers VDJ supports. VDJ will also try to work with you on a controller that they currently don’t support; but don’t be surprised if they tell you check the forums first.

    VDJ fits my workflow well and I really like that, for the price of a really cheap controller ($300); I was able to get a lifetime of free upgrades.

    VDJ also offers a subscription service called “Content Unlimited”. Although it requires an internet connection to access it; you can search the content unlimited for music that you may not have in your collection, then download it and play it. Personally, I haven’t ever used this other than to turn it on and see what it was. The “content unlimited service” has a monthly fee of $9.99. I think you get it free for the first month if you buy the “pro” version of VDJ.

    If you would like to know anything else about VDJ; just ask.

    #2267091
    Grant Hunter
    Participant

    @Miguel – cdj sounds pricey when you get into it, think I’ll stick with ddj to start with to get a feel for things. How did you find the s4 as a first controller? I’m looking at either the Traktor s4 or the pioneer ddj-sr. Both are of similar price but I don’t understand what half the features actually do to be able to compare them haha! As for software I think either will suit as it seems to be personal preference with most people. There doesn’t seem to be a definite better software.

    @DJWyld1 – Thanks for an insight into vdj, going by reviews I’ve read it seems to be the more user friendly of the 3 but often seen as the worst of the 3 for some reason? Almost like its looked down upon and inferior? Like i said to Miguel, a lot of the software debates seem to be based on personal preference rather than a defining reason why one is better than the other.

    In which case, if I would be happy to try either of the software, would I be better off looking at controllers that i like and go from there?

    #2267121
    Miguel
    Participant

    Its going to be a bit of a stupid answer, but still an answer:-)

    The DDJ SR is a two channel controller (mixer part) so you can mix from one “source” to an other, but it can control all the effects, has loop rolls, slicer, sample etc (You’ll get to know them very quickly) so almost all you can hope for. It is for Serato, but I guess it will be compatible with the Pioneer DJ software too so you can at least try it out for 30 days for free.

    Like I said earlier I use and love Traktor. Its in my mind (and I know not all share this thought) easy to use and the Remix decks + the new Stems system are awesome (specially the Remix decks). Serato has their Sample decks, but personally I do not like them, but there are people that do like them so maybe someone who likes to use them could comment.

    In both case if you really want to operate and play around with the Remix decks or Serato sample decks its easier with one extra bit: in Traktors case its the F1 and with Serato the DDJ SP1 controller. You do not need them right now, but I can bet a lot of money that you will want them in about one month time:-) it especially true with the Traktor Remix decks.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-controllers/traktor-kontrol-f1/
    http://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/controller/ddj-sp1/black/overview

    The S4 is four channel controller + you can plug turntables or CDJs to it later if you feel so (that you can not do with the DDJ SR) . Its a really good controller and now that the S5 is out you will probably find the S4 2nd hand for a reasonable price (your budget). Better get the S4 Mk2 then (its the newer version). So just that you understand there is S4 and S4MK2 just like there is S2 and S2Mk2. The MK2 stands for new version. The S2 is a comparable controller with the DDJ SR since it has a two channel mixer. With both controllers you get the full Traktor Pro software. Just to make things a bit unclearer; if you want to use turntables with it you need the Traktor Scratch Pro software which costs a bit but its just an upgrade. For the moment do not worry about that, just get the system you want and start DJing. I promise either way you go you will not go wrong.

    You know. Toss a coin and choose:-). I recommend Traktor, but Serato is super cool also its just a bit different in general approach. Between those two controllers DDJ SR and S4Mk2 the later is definitely the winner by far. The Pioneer that is comparable with the S4MK2 is the DDJ SX2.

    DJWYLD1 gave a really good description of VDJ. Like I said I now very little about it.

    Oh one thing: with the S2 and S4 (MK2s) you can also control the Traktor DJ for IOS so iPhone or iPad and thats really cool. The app costs a few euros and you can shine in parties with just the controller + iPhone + speakers.

    Miguel

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