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July 19, 2015 at 9:51 pm #2226831
Jason Nankoo
ParticipantQ “So what if I want to a listen to a track from my vinyl or cd collection on one of the many electronic portable devices available today?”
A “Buy it as a digital download”
Q “What if isn’t available as a download?”
A “Tough luck!”
Thing is if you can get free mp3 downloads with many vinyls and cd’s bought from Amazon (Autorip) why should making mp3 versions for personal use from media you’ve purchased be considered illegal?
July 19, 2015 at 10:19 pm #2226851bob6397
ParticipantThis I suspect is mainly to stop people from making copies and selling them on eBay… It is slightly unfair for anyone who doesn’t though (That would be 99% of people in the UK).
And, of course, as DJ’s, we are still meant to purchase a ProDUB license when converting from CD or Vinyl or Tape (not sure why you would convert from tape though unless you had no choice but..). I have never heard of someone being prosecuted for the lack of a ProDUB license though – as long as the songs were bought legally then you are probably alright. Of course, the only way to be completely sure is to only play downloaded tracks – which is what I do. It works for me, but then I don’t tend to play sub-genres with music you can’t get hold of anymore.
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July 20, 2015 at 1:36 pm #2226921Stazbumpa
ParticipantI don’t think this is abput selling ripped music on ebay because the law has always said that is illegal. The main problem with the ruling is that there is no private space anymore for someone to arrange their bought and paid for music collection how they want it.
In context, I can’t compile my many Prodigy albums into a single mp3 CD for the car. The music industry insists I take all the originals.
Also, you are no longer allowed to practice proper IT protocols in backing up your digital collection anymore, if you want to keep your music on a backup hard drive the music industry says you must buy it all over again for that hard drive.
This ruling will also impact creation because making your own mashups of music to play out, or even to yourself, is now forbidden in the UK.In practice though I have no idea how this will be enforced and just about everyone will ignore it just like they do the pro dub licence, or whatever the hell that is.
Watch this space though for a roadside arrest because someone has a couple of mp3 cds in their car, or a DJ being carted off in handcuffs because he played his latest mashup in a club.July 21, 2015 at 8:31 am #2227241DJ Vintage
ModeratorAs usual the industry keeps running behind the wagon instead of in front of it. As if legislation can stop progress. There is now such a widely different environment in music compared to only 25 years ago and the ONLY answer the industry has up until today is repression and legislation. ALL the more creative and successful options of selling/distributing music today come from non-music companies or startups without any previous connection to the music “industry”.
It’s fear that rules, not people accepting change and trying to become creators of even more creative ways to earn money in their chosen field.
Let me emphasize this: PIRACY is wrong, criminal and theft! And by piracy I mean large scale copying of creative materials (music, video, but also perfumes, etc.) to sell them on. If you buy a track online, paying between 1 and 2 euro a track (the equivalent of 15-30 euro’s an album in the old days with 12-18 tracks), you are not buying the track but effectively the right to listen to it in private. And it is of course totally ridiculous that if I purchased that RIGHT to listen (and not own said work), that right is limited to a platform. Since I, as a human being, can only listen with one set of ears, even if I had 1.000 copies of the same track, I could still only listen to one at a time (well, I know technically, but who would want to kill his ears like that, right LOL). So I’d still be within the right I bought.
Clearly stuff like backups and such is even more ridiculous.
All in all, the industry has started a process many many years ago to “protect” their old way of life and that whole protection thing has now become an industry on it’s own that is fighting first to preserve it’s own right of existence and only secondly serve the best interest of the industry they sprang from. And that industry would be off so much better spending all that time, money, effort and energy into positive ways of creating added value, which is the only thing people are willing to pay for.
Even the most willing customer will go on his hind legs if, once he’s paid for something, has to pay for it again because the bullies that sold him something in the first place are afraid they’ll miss out on a dime here and there.
Just my two cents.
July 21, 2015 at 11:45 pm #2227631Stazbumpa
ParticipantMy issues is with this:
“This is a win for all songwriters and composers in this country; the possibility of standing by and watching the implementation of an exception to copyright for private copying without a fair compensation scheme was unthinkable.”
– Vick Bain CEO of BASCAHow in the name of sanity is an individual supposed to provide “fair compensation” to an artists that they have already paid, by way of purchasing their music in the first place, when all that individual is trying to do is protect their investment (backup) or provide convenience (not clutter the car up with, and also potentially damage, your CD collection), particularly when the law explicitly states that you cannot copy and then sell or give away that music?
Totally agree with Vintage, all this proves is that BASCA, UK Music et al, are simply seeking to justify and continue their own existence. Unfortunately the High Court has agreed with them but if someone bothered to take this to the Euro courts I could well see it being reversed as I don’t think any case exists whereby an individual can be expected to compensate an artist when all that individual is trying to do is make their own life a bit easier.
But as I said before, 99.9% will totally, and justifiably, ignore this ruling.
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