I use folders for my music….Is there a better way?
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June 3, 2015 at 10:52 pm #2206061
DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey Dave, you youngster!
I am 52 and have been DJ-ing for 38 years. I am living prove that you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.
For the longest time I have been an avid … uhm … disliker (for hate is such a strong emotion) of iTunes. But I have started to move in the iTunes direction (big thanks to Phil Morse in the Digital DJ Masterclass which is reopening shortly) and am better off for it.
Your current Folders (80s, 90s and such) can migrate to either the genre field or two another field in iTunes which can hold as many keywords as you want in there. Smart playlists can easily create a lists on any set of criteria you can come up with. The rating system can be used for energy levels (you don’t need the rating, if it’s not a 5-star track it shouldn’t be in your collection to begin with).
I have started tuning down my collection too. Also a mobile DJ I like having a big pile of tracks to find requests in. But I have split my stuff in two, my request collection just sits on my external hard disk, with a couple of main folders for compilation series and the rest in A through Z on artists first name. I can use the file explorer in my DJ software to find something there. My core collection will end up being somewhere in the 1.000-1.500 tracks range and fully prepared in iTunes.
It may take a bit of “courage” to let go of the traditional way of organizing, but at the end of the day it makes your work a whole lot easier.
June 3, 2015 at 11:26 pm #2206081Simply Disco
ParticipantThank you DJ Vintage! Whilst you were typing your very encouraging reply, I just watched a video by Phil Morse about beatunes, which is now sorting my collection out. Also downloading itunes as I type. What’s the worst that can happen right? Eeek. My last experience of iTunes many years ago was memorable let’s say, and I haven’t touched it since.
I like the idea of keeping a mass of tracks on a separate hdd. I have 2 gigs this weekend with the stripped down collection, and no content unlimited currently within VDJ since Grooveshark went down, so that will be a comfort knowing I can access the 10k+ of music if I need to. I’d really like a max of 1000 in my core library, as you will know yourself I didn’t even carry 1000 physical records about back in the day, and I knew each and every one of them. I’d feel good if that were the case again now.June 3, 2015 at 11:53 pm #2206091bob6397
ParticipantEveryone has their own system – here’s what works for me.
I use iTunes, which is my main library management software. I import tracks into iTunes first when I get them (or buy them through iTunes). iTunes stores my whole collection and organises it for me – it stores it in folders by artist, then album. (EG. Adele’s 21 Album has the file path “M:/Music/Adele/21”)
That means that I don’t have to do all that manually.. I don’t use Mixed In Key/Platinum Notes personally.
I then organise all my music by genre/bpm by putting everything into playlists (making sure the ID3 tags are correct – mainly changing genre as I go and inputting bpm. My DJ software (Virtual DJ) then reads the iTunes library and I copy the folders over into VDJ as I then have greater flexibility (VDJ cannot edit iTunes playlists) over what is in each folder…
Then i head out to play 🙂
bob6397
June 3, 2015 at 11:55 pm #2206101bob6397
ParticipantI would add that it would be a good idea to backup your entire collection (including DJ Software database!) before you start anything if you haven’t already.. I may be too late though.. 😉
bob6397
June 4, 2015 at 7:32 am #2206171Big Chile
ParticipantHello there! I have a question, with so many songs out there, doesn’t iTunes take up valuable memory in your laptop? I guess I just don’t understand how I can use iTunes for my music library…
June 4, 2015 at 9:18 am #2206221DJ Vintage
ModeratorNope Big, if you set your iTunes to copy the tracks to it’s own storage, you can then remove/store/backup the originals (I keep the original, untouched, preferably lossless tracks on my network drive).
And when you move playlists and such from iTunes to your DJ software, it should not copy the files again. So at the end of the day each track only occupies one spot on your hard drive, the place where iTunes put it.
The trick is to put ONLY the stuff you DJ with into iTunes and, as I prefer, and only a core collection (Phil Morse has about 600 tracks, mine is gonna be somewhere in the 1000-1200 range). That way you have a good collection that you can play with, that you can prep properly, have in all the (mini)playlists you want them in and that you can know intimately.
THE single most dangerous feature of digital DJ-ing is the risk of having too MUCH music!
As a mobile DJ I always had lots of music (even on CD), because of the requests you get. But as I said before, I now keep those on a separate hard disk (outside iTUnes and my core collection) and I can use the file explorer in my DJ software to look for a track that gets requested.
Before I had well over 30.000 tracks in my DJ software. It was totally overwhelming. Like the OP, I was used to having a small vinyl collection (physical limitations), then moved to CD where I already needed a laptop to find things (but where I could still physically browse through the disks) and then on to a hard drive where no more physical browsing was possible.
Frankly Big, the Digital DJ Masterclass is about to reopen and I can highly recommend it. Next to all the other great stuff you’ll learn (and there is a lot of great stuff in it!), there is a whole chapter on music management, including how to optimize and use iTunes. For me, it alone would have almost been worth the money.
June 4, 2015 at 9:25 am #2206231bob6397
ParticipantBig Chile: I’d make a topic for this.. You don’t need to have every song in existence on your hard drive (that would be pretty much impossible and rather expensive). I have just under 4000 tracks in total in my library. Of those, I probably play 400. NOw, I only started my regular gig back in September and so I am still setting up my collection, but even DJs who do pretty much the same as me but who have been doing it for years only have a core collection of around 600 tracks – even though the rest of their collection in the tens of thousands in order to deal with all the (very varied) requests that you can get.
Using iTunes for your music is something that you have to do from the start, when you first build your collection – if you don’t, it’s going to take you a very long time to rebuild everything using iTunes afterwards when you realise that you want to use it..
iTunes manages everything for you – where the songs are stores, the metadata to a certain extent and (most importantly) it has the ability for smart playlists. These let iTunes create lists of tracks according to their year/genre/artist/bpm etc. This is so useful.. 🙂
bob6397
June 4, 2015 at 10:40 am #2206251Simply Disco
ParticipantThis topic is progressing nicely, thanks for all of your input and further questions. iTunes is a bit daunting to us oldies especially when you have old, possibly bad habits of folders.
I had a mess round last night with the devil’s own software and went to bed none the wiser, however the posts by Bob and Vintage have helped me understand a bit more. I guess tagging the tracks properly is essential for this system to work? Beatunes has sorted some of the mess out, but it’s starting to look like I may have to do most of them manually to set the genre to something I can relate to. I’d like the correct release year in all the tracks too. 1300 tracks x 2 mins per track editing = 40 – 50 hours….
June 4, 2015 at 2:44 pm #2206691bob6397
ParticipantYeah.. it’s the only issue with Digital DJing… Everything does work really well once you have it sorted though – an idea might be to import it all as is – iTunes will then let you edit the tags on multiple tracks at a time (for instance if a whole album is the same genre) – and don’t put the BPM’s in yourself – this will do it for most tracks for you (run it before importing into iTunes) – saves loads of time..
Genre is always the hardest one – it is nearly always wrong in iTunes and I have corrected everyone manually.. But, again, figuring out ways of doing it multiple tracks at a time will be easier (for example, create a plyslist manually for each genre, just dumping all the tracks in as you go. Then, once you are done, highlight all the tracks and change the genre field for all of them at once – don’t change anything else though!)
I will say again though – make sure you have a backup 🙂
Hope that helps..
bob6397
June 4, 2015 at 3:30 pm #2206761Simply Disco
ParticipantThanks Bob, very helpful tips there. I have 4 back ups, I’ve lost hard drives before now, and I don’t wish to repeat the agony….
June 4, 2015 at 5:28 pm #2206991DJ Vintage
ModeratorAs for genres, there is only one correct list of genres … your OWN!
It helps nothing to tag all your tracks as house, if you are a house-only DJ. By the same token it doesn’t really help if you use 12 sub-genres of house if you are an allround DJ. And if all you do is play 80s disco parties, your are gonna need a different set of genres rather than just 80s disco.
Well, you get the drift. So please, don’t worry about whatever tag/genre is given to a track by whatever software. Listen and decide what YOU want to call it.
The other thing I can’t stress enough, is to NOT let anything into your collection (iTunes) that is not a core track that you expect to be playing a lot. That way you don’t have “bad” or “lesser” tracks in your collection. Every track is there for a reason and is fully playable.
June 4, 2015 at 6:29 pm #2207011Simply Disco
ParticipantThank you all again so much has for your help and advice. Very much appreciated indeed. I am starting to get the drift of it, still struggling with iTunes a little, particularly it’s integration with VDJ8, Windows 7. Would anybody know how I remove the movies, and other folders I don’t need from my browser column on vdj? The play lists I’ve worked out, simply delete the ones I don’t use and add ones I do. I almost like it…. An apple product lol. I cant seem to find out how to get rid of the other clutter.
June 4, 2015 at 7:10 pm #2207061bob6397
ParticipantI haven’t managed to get rid of them (and I’ve been sort of looking for 6 months now) but they don’t bother me too much – before I go out to play, I use the Virtual folders to create set-lists for that individual event and then work from those during the vent.. I avoid using the iTunes integration when DJing due to all the clutter (and because you can’t edit the playlists in VDJ)
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