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  • #2205431
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hi,

    I moved the post to be a new one. “this one” is now a clickable link to the article you originally replied to.

    #2205721
    Dmitriy Pigildin
    Participant

    Thank you, DJ Vintage, and sorry for inconvenience.

    #2205921
    C2
    Participant

    I like the selection of ages and styles. As to the first 2 hours, I wouldn’t stress it too much. This is a graduation party not a club. The attendees are not accustomed to mixing at the Club level. This is the meet and greet time where people want background sound and drinks. Also ask your friend what he wants, he is the client. I would make up your mind if you are taking requests or not and hold firm. I used to put up signs $1000 to play Justin B. Mixing 90/00 of the styles you are using isn’t the easiest. If you are good with the EQ knobs you can help it a bit by cutting the lows as you come in and go out. Check the fidelity of the older tracks too. When CDs first came out you had AAD, ADD, DDD. A is Analog and D digital. All 3 mixing and mastering styles sound different. If you use Key Progression and watch your BPMs, those quick cuts won’t seem as bad. You should have fun, people like to see the DJ getting into it. If you are bumping along to your tunes then people will feel your energy.

    #2205991
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I usually never do such long blocks of the same music. If it’t a mixed crowd, you want to play a mixed set. I think in itself the building blocks are ok, but I would not set them to that time schedule.

    To give you a simple example. Let’s say you planned out your set the way you planned. You have moved into the 3rd hour and everyone danced to your 70s-80s disco for 15 minutes and then slowly people start to wander off. What do you do? Finish the hour playing music in that genre just because you prepared it that way?

    A good tip is to have mini playlists consisting of 3 to 4 tracks in a certain genre that go well together and can be mixed into and out of in several ways. Now you have many Lego blocks to start building your night from, when you are in a mini-playlist in a style that seems to not be working, you pick another style and change direction. If the style you are playing is highly succesful, you might pick the next mini-playlist in that genre.

    As you can see, this will give you a far more flexible way of DJ-ing. It is, imho (although backed by 38 years of experience, a lot of it as mobile DJ) not possible or desirable to plan a night out in the fashion you described. Why? Because every crowd is different and even the same crowd will react differently from one night to the other.

    Something else to keep in mind that it is not a good plan to try to go full steam all the time. Have a flow in your set. Build up energy, keep it there for a while and then don’t be afraid to let off the steam a bit. Then start building again.

    It gives people a chance to take a break, go to the bathroom, have a drink and a chat or smoke.

    And it prevents an early burn-out from your dancing guests.

    Final tip, keep your eye on the girls that seem most ready to dance, play for them first, it will pay dividend.

    #2206111
    Dmitriy Pigildin
    Participant

    C2, DJ Vintage, thank you very much for invaluable tips and your time to respond!

    I actually don’t mind taking requests subject to tracks availability and the flow coherence but we agreed with my friend that I decide as I see fit.

    The idea of mini-playlists sounds great and I will start working on them asap. I think I have fairly decent knowledge of music across different styles and periods, but playing cross-genre is a whole new unexplored field to me and I am really excited to finally delve into this.

    Again, thank you both for sharing your views.

    Have a great day.

    #2206881
    Craig Wilson
    Participant

    I do 6-8 hour sets regularly on weekends. good to have a plan, but always, always read the crowd. agree with vintage – you wanna build it in waves, don’t be afraid to bump it up early to get people in the mood, then ease off a bit, if you’re hitting lots of genres, i’ll generally transition every half hour or so to keep it fresh, but once you’re at the tipping point then keep giong with it and build the energy. long gigs are about reading your crowd, knowing when to give them a break, ease off then pull them back – don’t be afraid to drop the tempo drastically if u’ve been hitting them with 120+ bpm for ages. goodluck!!
    C

    #2207001
    Dmitriy Pigildin
    Participant

    Thank you Craig.
    Couldn’t agree with you all more on reading the crowd; I just never had a chance to master that skill yet 🙂 Pretty sad given that I’ve been messing around with my S2 for the last 3 years.. ah, well, better late than never.
    It will be busy two weeks practicing for me for sure!

    #2207211
    Craig Wilson
    Participant

    you’ll be fine man. be prepared and most importantly on longer sets.. pace yourself so you don’t peak too early.
    let us know how it all goes.
    🙂

    #2214181
    Dmitriy Pigildin
    Participant

    Hello All!

    Just wanted to share some thoughts on my first full night set a couple of days ago. It was a terrific experience overall, people absolutely loved it, I received a lot of words of appreciation next day.
    The host had initially asked me to include about 25-30 songs – acoustic pop / rock from 80-90’s; the evening started slow and I decided to play mostly those songs in the first hour which must have had some personal meaning to the guy but frankly wouldn’t spark any sort of feedback from the crowd if I played them later in the night, in my opinion.
    First two hours I did no mixing whatsoever and I was honest about it. Just fade out / start new and watching the effect on people.
    One downside was that people were too hesitant to start dancing. I had a couple of “messenger” friends who told that everyone is really up for going to the floor from the bar and the music was great but I guess it’s when everyone is waiting for someone else to step in first. I blame the booze though, or rather its very slow consumption, which bartenders confirmed to me as well.
    Probably the speech by the host’s parents was the gamechanger – I actually picked an oldie song as a background playing very low level at almost zero low frequency, which was good. Then came the cake and that’s when things went off when I put some Will Smith followed up by a combo of disco remixes (God Bless Frankie Knuckles!).
    I did the cycles as you guys recommended changing genres and moods – some of them worked, some of them didn’t, but I’m actually happy that some didn’t as it put me against difficult choices. Overall once the crowd was out there, I think they fancied rather high level of energy music, be it reggaeton, balkan or contemporary house with some electro. Unfortunately hip-hop was not taken too well, but ok, next time in a different setting.

    Here are the points I think I learned:

    1) I felt skepticism and even a bit of antagonism from the bar owner when he realized he has to free up some space for my controller and the laptop stand (he had huge stacks of CDs and some equipment there). On the other hand, even if I had been able to play CDJs, I wouldn’t have tried on those, they did look a bit questionable. I am sure he changed his opinion around midnight though!

    2) I tried to build a nice relationship with the security guy and bartender girls and it really paid off: free non-alcohol soda all night + tolerance for sound levels into late hours.

    3) Requests (or rather generally, interaction). So I had a couple of people coming up asking either certain tracks or to e.g. high up the pace. I was lucky that the floor was almost full at those moments so I could just say – hey, look behind you, people are actually enjoying it at the moment but I’ll surely switch to more intense sound later on. With the tracks I didn’t have, I was just honest saying I don’t have them. It was kind of compensated by occasions when a girl asks for a song and I was about to play it next anyway, and that’s when you feel you are a king! 🙂

    4) Preparation paid off, as I followed DJ Vintage’s recommendation to form short sequences of tracks that go well together. What I found interesting though is that sometimes, if genres are switched between those sequences, no mixing or blending is expected. Maybe my crowd was too simple and rather cared about the music than technical skills. In general, actually I was able to get away with incredible number of things! Some of the extremes were stopping the track midway for two seconds (there is something with Traktor – if the cursor is not in the search field and you start typing, it messes with the playing deck, I need to investigate), playing a loop for 5-6 times while looking for a track, bringing down the tempo by 15 bpm to mix properly, etc. Crowd is forgiving if music is good.

    5) I know many of these seem obvious but it’s so reinforcing when I experienced it personally. This one for example: people loved seeing me enjoying myself, I had some specifically praising me for that!

    So there it was – my first full party. Many thanks for your personal advise and I hope someone will find the above useful.

    Enjoy your Sunday!

    #2214231
    Quicknight
    Participant

    Well, this was a nice read for me. Certainly picked up a few good tips from here 🙂

    #2214251
    bob6397
    Participant

    “(there is something with Traktor – if the cursor is not in the search field and you start typing, it messes with the playing deck, I need to investigate)”

    This is because the keyboard is mapped to various controls – I made my own mapping for when I am DJing for VirtualDJ – find a list of the mappings here: http://traktortips.com/keyboard-shortcuts/

    Glad it went well 🙂

    bob6397

    #2214321
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Sounds like you did well, young padawan (won’t say young Jedi ever again, lol).

    Keep spinning! (Like you could ever stop now that you’ve got the live playing bug).

    #2214971
    Elliott Kim
    Participant

    Glad to hear it went well!

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