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    DJ Vintage
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    Hey, I am a certified sound engineer (live/studio) and while I will not for one moment say anything derogatory about the Apogee (cause it’s great 🙂 ), the thing to grasp here is that if you DJ you can safely let go of the studio standards. The sound is gonna come out of (often) badly tuned PA’s, more often than not in highly unfavorable acoustic surroundings, with the speakers positioned where easy, not best. Mono is not uncommon either. Sound will be played at (very) high volumes. Gear is often a bit older and worn and will have suffered from the harsh environment. There is nothing high end about this sound environment.

    Trust me when I say that with any of the serious brands, the 16-bit/44.1KHz sound cards are plenty quality to get you the PA sound you need. And NOBODY in the room is gonna notice you are not using your Apogee. NI has quality gear (they DO do a bit more than just the odd DJ controller after all) and the S8 has Cirrus Logic 24-bit/48KHz ADACs throughout. Since your source material (short of mixing down your own stuff from a DAW) will never be higher than that (and most likely just CD quality), that is gonna work just fine.

    Finally, I think you can just set the master output in Traktor to the Apogee, with the headphones still going through the controller if you want and bypass the sound card in the S8 altogether. But I am not 100% on that last one. Current Traktor users, any suggestions on that?

    #2188501
    Caleb Grayson
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    Thank you DJ V. for the thorough response!

    Of course I know what you say to be true. I just spent the last 2 years in Maui running sound at a club and our system was not super sonically exceptional. It’s just that while it was only filled with Mackie, you could notice quite a difference with the quality of DJ input.

    For example one professional had tracks that sounded exceptional and I told him it sounded like they were mastered. He said that they were!

    I don’t think most people will or even can notice the difference in a conscious way, but I do believe there’s a fatigue and a subconscious awareness that ‘normal people’ notice and it directly affects their mood.

    But you’re right that 44.1k/24bit is beyond material that I’ll likely use (except for my own production) in venues I’ll likely have access to.

    (We have a lot of clubs in he US — a lot of mediocre ones.)

    The Bose L1’s do sound really good for small rooms and I have a nice DI box for them fed by the Duet. Maybe my Mixtrack is all I need. It just doesn’t have enough buttons!

    What would be a controller sans audio interface that would be a good upgrade to the Mixtrack 2? Mixtrack 3?!

    (Tracktor DJ for my iPhone6 has actually been a lot of fun! Maybe I’ll figure out how to implement oscTouch. I just don’t like having so many devices and the phone can be set down in an odd place wife easily.)

    #2188551
    DJ Vintage
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    There really isn’t one that I know of. Even at the lower end of the scale, the sans sound card models are getting even scarcer.

    I’ll agree that track quality trumps sound card quality. Unless you do a clean A/B comparison with exactly the same gear and tracks, it’s really hard to tell what the actual difference is. I have heard lots of PAs, with lots of gear and 90% of the time if I think something is off (and I actually listen for that in a venue) it turns out that the DJ is using sub-par track quality.

    As for fatigue, I am gonna guess here that you know already that alcohol consumption will do way more in terms of boosting fatigue than the sound quality will (not disputing that worse sound will cause faster wear), making it a far more important factor. Alcohol seems to have a bigger impact on mood too, btw 😀

    It’s amazing how those mini array – sub assemblies are performing these days.

    #2189141
    Caleb Grayson
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    Oh right. I forgot about the alcohol.

    It’s why i ran the subs on Aux 6.

    I got to run this array system from Renkus-Heinz — two IC vertical arrays and 6 subs — for luaus and such at this resort I worked at Maui.

    It was just so smooth.

    20x my Bose system new. It was set up so that one sub faced rear to cancel out bass so as not to kiss off the neighbors.

    Ok. So I give up. I should just get the S8 and call it a day.

    #2189471
    DJ Vintage
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    Yep, love RH!

    Good call on the S8 😀

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