LAPTOP or MACBOOK For DJing
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April 7, 2015 at 6:46 pm #2171301
Solow
ParticipantA PC Laptop is going to give you a better price point obviously. You also have much more elbow room because you can do more with it. For Example if it runs slow, you have the option to add more RAM or upgrade your processor(stuff MAC won’t allow). On the other hand, Macbooks have pretty good stability which will let you DJ with ease at a gig without worrying about your computer surprising you with a sudden stop in your music. There are also good stable PC’s out there too if you wanna spend a little extra money. Either way you can still do good with any. If you buy a PC I recommend that you make sure it has about 4 Gigs of RAM. The more the better
April 7, 2015 at 6:56 pm #2171311DJ NShyap
ParticipantThat was a great piece of information DJ Mepps….
But does laptops really surprise “with a sudden stop in music”? Its scary though..??
April 7, 2015 at 11:24 pm #2171431DJ Boone
ParticipantI’ve never had an issue with my HP laptop. I bought it about two years ago with the intent of using it to DJ and music production. If you maintain the laptop I don’t think you should have any problems.
April 8, 2015 at 1:26 am #2171471DJMig
ParticipantAside of the Mac vs PC discussions, anything you like will serve you. But let me tell you something: The better price of PC laptops compared to Macs is not that simple.
I own a solid and beautiful 2006 Macbook Pro with 3 GB of RAM and nowadays it works like a charm (a SSD helps too) and my brother has a white 2006 Macbook and it flews too . We are not pro Djs but use our rigs on daily basis for photography, graphic design and semi-pro djing . A friend of mine, long time pro Dj, owns a black 2007 Macbook as well and it never fails, either. My Macbook Pro cost like $1900 and these Macbooks cost $1200-1400. Expensive? It depends. Where are eight years old PC laptops? 😉 IMHO PC laptops with similar qualities to Macbooks are in the same range of prices. It´s just sad they dropped these polycarbonate Macbooks. They were cheap, solid, versatile and perfect for djing.Of course there are excelent PC laptops but won´t last that long. No controversy intended (that why I won´t mention aesthetics or operative system differences); I just want to point it out.
Regards
April 8, 2015 at 8:39 am #2171611DJ Vintage
ModeratorThere are a lot of advantages imho to Macbooks over PCs.
And I am a big PC fan (have several AND and a windows 7 laptop for work) but I will not use anything but a Mac for DJ and sound engineering work anymore. Yes, you can tweak a windows PC to work well. But, it involves running a dual-boot system if you intend to do other work with it as well. Also it is actually tweaking, meaning you need to spend time and effort into making it stable. The sound driver system Windows uses is far less suitable than that of Mac OSX. User separation (i.e. having a different user profile for DJ-ing and for private stuff for example) is nothing more than a joke on Windows (except for personal files pretty much everything you do in any of your user profiles affects the entire windows installation – hence the advice of dual-booting). And, not unimportantly, Mac OSX does not work with a registry system like Windows. The registry system has an inherent problem, it gets corrupted, clogged up, stuff stays in there long after you have removed the programs it was associated with and thus Windows needs some kind of regular cleaning to keep running optimally. Most if not all this stuff is handled by OSX straight out of the box.
While Mac’s can and do crash, I think it is safe to assume that the CHANCE of a Windows laptop going blue screen on you is statistically higher.
I like to have far more control and tweakability over my OS than I can have with OSX for my day to day stuff. Windows offers me that. But when it comes to having a system to dependably run my DJ software gig after gig, I don’t need that flexibility. I just want to install the software, hook up the controller and know it will work, every time. And OSX does offer that.As for the hardware. While a few hardware manufacturers are mimicking a lot of the MBP features, like backlit keys (VERY handy in a dark DJ booth) and full metal casing, those can usually only be found on the higher end models, thus making the apparent price difference a lot smaller. Things like the magnetic power adapter connector are unbeatable (anybody that has ever had to replace a mainboard in a laptop because the connector for power broke off knows what I mean). Also you CAN upgrade memory (have done it myself), you CAN replace the HDD with an SSD and/or even remove the DVD (who needs one these days) and put a second HDD/SDD in. Only thing you can’t change is the processor, but this is true for 99.9% of windows laptops too.
I’ll second the notion that overall the MacBook Pro holds it value way longer than a windows laptop. Try selling a three year old Lenovo or HP and be glad you get any kind of money for it. Post a 3-yr old MBP at an online marketplace and they’ll be outbidding your asking price. So, taking write-off into consideration, if you were to spend on a new MacBook Pro today and decide to upgrade every three years or so, your total write-off wouldn’t be all that much higher than with a PC laptop and you’d be almost guaranteed an easy (re)sell.
I’ve been in IT since I was 17 or so (which was a LONG time ago) and as I said, I love my PCs to this day. But I have, grudgingly – I admit, switched to MBP for my DJ and sound engineering needs about two years ago and never looked back.
Just my two cents, as usual. Flame away! LOL
April 8, 2015 at 8:40 am #2171621DJ Vintage
ModeratorP.S. I moved this to the correct forum. Please make sure you put things where they belong. Terry and I are busy enough without this stuff 😀
April 8, 2015 at 2:38 pm #2171951Stazbumpa
ParticipantI’ve used a PC laptop for DJ use since I started using digital in 2009, the only issues I’ve had were all my fault. My old Acer cheapo lappy was overheating (I couldn’t be arsed to clean it), and my current Dell Latitude once switched itself off halfway through a gig (I forgot to plug the power lead in).
The rules of PC laptop DJing are simple:
1- Demand the Windows OS disc from the vendor.
2- Buy a SSD and fit it if your lappy didn’t come with one.
3- Do a fresh install of Windows.
4- Don’t download porn.A couple of simple tweaks are all that is required after that, you don’t need a degree in computer science to do them either. There’s nothing a Mac can do that a PC can’t do, apart from run Logic Pro.
And cost more 🙂April 8, 2015 at 3:15 pm #2171971DJ Vintage
ModeratorI agree with you in part, but ONLY if you use the laptop only for DJ-ing. If you do anything else with it, that goes out the window (no pun intended). No Windows user with any knowledge can say with dry eyes that his/her computer’s performance has not deteriorated with time, because it always does. The only way to prevent that from happening, is single purpose use, never installing anything other than the stuff you really need, not deleting what you have installed and not going online (for anything, not just porn).
This discussion will probably remain forever. We all pick our side. I have picked mine after very careful consideration.
At the end of the day I have to conclude that many things audio related are just better integrated in Mac OSX then they are in Windows, that Windows has taken a dive with version 8 (which I still refuse to use on any of my machines) and most significantly that it’s all done out of the box, without clean installs, vendor OS discs and even the tiniest of tweaks.
All that on top of the physical attributes of the MacBooks makes it a good deal, albeit it, I full agree, a very expensive one.Good thing we can agree to disagree 😀
April 8, 2015 at 3:20 pm #2171981DJ NShyap
ParticipantWeow Amazing Replies….
Thank you all…for being so wonderful for your time taken to share your viewpoints 🙂
Although Macbook is good at its price…I am sure Laptops are able to Stand upto the expectation for Normal DJing….
Like you all said, Maintenance is required for Laptops and maintenance is less required for Macbook..
However for a Beginner, Laptop is a big motivational equipment because if it becomes a thumb rule that only Mac supports DJs….lot of beginner DJs like me would be heart-broken as initially you just want things to run smooth and you dont expect to perform like Tiesto or Armin…
***However to perform with a Laptop in a DJ program for about 4-5hrs… 2-3 times a week…WHAT SHOULD BE THE CONFIGURATION to RUN Smooth…WITHOUT HANGING OR BURNING ITSELF OUT… ?? 🙂
God Bless…
April 8, 2015 at 3:24 pm #2171991DJ NShyap
ParticipantONLY FOR DJING and NOTHING ELSE…NO MOVIES….NO GAMES….NO INTERNET SURFING…ONLY FOR DJing…….
To perform with a Laptop in DJ programs for about 4-5hrs… 2-3 times a week…WHAT SHOULD BE THE CONFIGURATION to RUN Smooth…WITHOUT HANGING OR BURNING ITSELF OUT… ??
🙂
April 8, 2015 at 4:11 pm #2172111DJ NShyap
Participant.April 9, 2015 at 9:33 am #2172971Terry_42
KeymasterA mac.
Why?
Macs are build for stability.
I have seen countless times that in a hot club environment with loads of lights etc. or an open air in summer… PC guy plays his set for 30-45min then the laptop dies the heat death.
I have seen countless times PC guy play his set and then suddenly sound stutters, because PC likes to run some stuff on the harddisk that we will never find out why he does it.
I have seen countless times PC guy play his set and suddenly the sound drivers like to act up, because another driver or anti-virus had an epiphany and wanted to do something …. and you never know why.On the other hand I have a 2008! MacBook pro. That I had with me on countless gigs in heat and snow, it is beat up, the screen actually is warped a little, it has scratches all over so I put stickers on it…. it is a mess. BUT IT NEVER CRASHED ON ME DURING A SET.
I actually wanted to phase it out this year, but I keep it as a backup as it has so many emotional ties.Now I do not know of any friend of mine who is a PC fanatic that can say he has a working condition laptop PC that is older than 3-4 years.
Are there PCs like that out there? Yes. But then you have to go for top end laptops like HP zBook, Lenovo ThinkPad,… those come in at around 1500+ so you are exactly in the same price range as MacBooks are and still have the disadvantages of the Windows registry and driver system.
That is why we DJs say: Any MacBook, even old, is better than a PC laptop.
April 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm #2173671DJMig
ParticipantActually, cheap laptops (and IMHO, Windows but I haven´t used it from let´s say 2004 so it´s not a solid rock opinion) are that bad.
Good stuff is always a better pick, that´s all. And, as Terry said, a dj needs a stable rig (and beauty and usability won´t hurt)
April 9, 2015 at 9:03 pm #2173691Stazbumpa
ParticipantMy version of events:
My laptop is a reconditioned Dell Latitude business model. The bottom plate is plastic, everything else is metal, it has 4 usb ports and a 1080p screen.
Cost me 500GBP with a 240Gb SSD adding another 100GBP.
I fitted the SSD and installed Windows 7 fresh. The only setup change I made that is constant was to go into the preferences and change Windows to prioritise background tasks.
Windows treats audio as a background task.When I DJ I do a couple of further tweaks; I go into device manager and disable the ACPI battery controller, webcam, DVD drive, wifi and the internal sound card. These are all switched back on when I’m done DJing. I use my laptop for browsing the web and organising my music as well as for DJing, although I never download anything I don’t need.
The point of this story is to highlight that you can run a Windows laptop for DJing and use it for other things too Qith a bare minimum of tweaking.
Yes, you have to be careful but then you have to be careful with any item you use for DJing. Having an Apple logo on the lid doesn’t magically make your device immune to catastrophy. Internally the Mac is PC and the bloody things are still made in China anyway.So no, a laptop for DJing os not bad at all.
April 10, 2015 at 12:37 am #2173741DJMig
ParticipantIf you buy a cheap laptop with Windows you get a cheap laptop with Windows, no more, no less.
People that buy macs for work won´t care much about the apple logo, believe me, it´s all about usability and stability. You can´t compare a $600-800 laptop to a $1500 Macbook. And the Apple logo is not the reason. Of course nowadays you can do great with stuff with anything (as you can djay on a Hercules controller) but that´s not the point. 😉
If a cheap laptop works great and cover one´s needs, excellent. But , again, it´s not about the logo.
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