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  • #2137421
    DJ Vintage
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    Hey GJ,

    Well, what you call freestyling, I call DJ-ing 😀 . I know I am not the only DJ out there not working with a fixed set playlist. One of the things that is good to do is to make mini-playlists though, 3-4 tracks that fit well together. Even “freestyling” it’s often easier to string mini-playlists together than it is single tracks.

    As for cueing up tracks, yes, having all significant tracks in your collection prepared correctly (track beginning, waveform, cues, loops) is pretty much a must to not having to worry about stuff live. It’s one of the reasons why we advocate not falling into the “digital DJ trap” of loading any and every piece of music you find into your DJ collection. Limiting your collection to a fixed number gives you a couple of advantages.
    A) You collection, once it reached its max. number of tracks, will become a 1-in/1-out system, not growing over the limit, forcing you to clean up the less(er) used tracks. Eventually this means your collection will get better and better over the years as only the best tracks remain in the collection.
    B) You force yourself to think, rethink and re-rethink every track before proceeding to buy it and add it to your collection.
    C) Because you will only be adding limited numbers of new tracks at a time, it’s very easy to prepare them upon entering them into your DJ software.
    D) With a limited size (say 1.000 – 2.000) collection, it’s totally feasible (and necessary) to know all your tracks intimately. The process of preparing tracks will help there, as it means you will be listening closely to the way the track is composed.
    E) Let’s say it takes you about 5 minutes to prep a track (on average), even with 2.000 tracks it will take you less than 5 months of 1 hour a day and 2 a day in the weekends to have them all done! Not simple and it takes some discipline, but the pay-off is awesome.
    F) A limited size 1-in/1-out collection will ensure that your collection always holds the high potential new tunes and the best of the past. Over the years it will even out nicely in that you will have tracks covering a nice time period in the (sub)genres you use.

    The Mixed in Key thing is interesting, but according to first reports not quite there yet (or no there at all – according to some). And while a nice tool, I’d always want to review them before finally committing the track to the DJ collection.

    Hope that helps.

    #2137441
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    As for “unplanned” tracks, if you know your tracks well and assuming the beatgridding of your software does a decent job, with the help of the snap feature and graphical representation of where the phrases start, it’s a piece of cake to preview a track, drop in a quick cue or two and work from there.

    #2137991
    deathy
    Participant

    I have not been impressed with MIK’s auto-cue-points.

    #2138761
    Danzik
    Participant

    I use cue/memory points its great to use. I always wondered if planed sets were the go or not also.

    #2138881
    deathy
    Participant

    I am marker crazy myself.

    #2138981
    Glorina Julian
    Participant

    @DJ Vintage – Thanks for the informative answer man! Much appreciated! Haha, yeah, I’m still learning how “real DJs” do it. This one guy on Youtube referred to it as “freestyle dj’ing” so thanks for schooling me in that that’s what real dj’ing is.
    Also, your answer really helped make it “click” in my brain how a DJ’s song collection is really precious. I get it now. Because one has to be intimate with his songs and know them inside and out, you shouldn’t waste time with the ones that don’t blow you away, or at least has a cool aspect of it that can blend/add nicely to other songs.

    @deathy – Thanks for the feedback on MIK.

    I think based on both of your answers, I will not rely on MIK at all and just go in manually for every song.

    Thanks guys

    #2138991
    deathy
    Participant

    My pleasure.

    It’s worth pointing out – MIK’s other functionality is unsurpassed (much to my moral dismay), so it will probably only be a matter of time before it is good… and your mileage may also vary, as I think I tend to put my markers in odd places sometimes.

    #2139371
    Dizzle
    Participant

    I have 7600 tracks in my library as I use the same laptop for mobile Dj gigs as well as the music driven nights I host/perform at. I’d say only 5% of my library has cue points and double-checked beat grids. Planning the entire set can help when you’re first starting out, especially if the idea of playing out makes you very nervous.

    Most times now I either just select from the smart playlists and crates I’ve created. If there is a certain theme for a gig that I’m booked at, I might throw some appropriate tracks into a crate without any real consideration to the order I’ll play them in, since that should be dictated by how the crowd reacts.

    Before I go too far off topic though, if you master your beat matching and learn the general arrangement of the genres of music you like to play, it doesn’t take much time at all to cue up the first beat and have it ready to mix in with or without cue points. The cue points just help to make the mixing even sharper,for instance if one song’s breakdown is shorter than the next song’s intro, but you want the incoming song to complete its mix at the drop, having cue points set up can really help with that.

    I used to set aside 20-30min a day (usually during my commute to school/work) to beat cue point and beat grid new songs. This way, while my entire library isn’t “processed” anything newer will be, and as I begin to remove older songs that I don’t play / don’t fit my brand’s sound my library will eventually be fully populated with cue pointed and beat gridded tracks

    #2139751
    Glorina Julian
    Participant

    @Dizzle – Thanks for the feedback man. I have a question for you then. Are you mixing/blending any of the tracks then or are you just “cutting” from one song to the other or I think it might even be called “slamming” (sorry, still learning the terminology) where you just transfer from one song to the next. My guess is the latter since if you were going to be mixing, you’d have to get the phrasing right between the two songs, no? Or are you mixing songs that you already know well and then maybe the remaining songs out of your thousands, you might just switch over from one to the next?

    I only have the digitaldjtips and some youtube vids as a reference but it seems like the really good mixes (that I’ve heard on tutorials) are ones where the mixes are really are like new songs born from two different songs that made love to each other (whoa, how’d that analogy get into my head?) where each chorus, verse, intro, outtro, like every freaking detail is blending together to make new epic mashups that are one of a kind. Where the lyrics/bassline/musical melody on one end right when the lyrics/bassline/melody on the new song begin. How can you do that when you have thousands of songs to remember?

    Thanks in advance

    #2139811
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Take a look at the mashup software by Mixed In Key – Mashup 2 and you’ll be amazed at how simple it can be done.

    #2139871
    Glorina Julian
    Participant

    But then that would be when you’re producing the mashup, how about mixing it live like what Dizzle does with 7000 songs with most of them having NO cue points? So just cuz Jay Z and the beatles might make a good mashup, knowing exactly where to mix the together with no cue point reference seems challenging but again i’m a newb.

    thanks for the mixed in key tip

    #2139951
    Dizzle
    Participant

    Once you’ve had more time to practice, you’ll realize that many genres, if not most, have a typical arrangement of phrases (e.g. Hip Hop tends to have verse, chorus, verse, chorus, break, verse; or Trap intro, build, drop, break, build, drop) and you can mix in the next track accordingly. Very rarely, if at all do I cut/slam in next tracks. Once you can beat match and understand the usual phrasing of the genres you’re playing you’ll find mixing/blending on the fly is both fun and easy.

    As for on the fly mashups, you can create auto-loops and adjust them in you headphones such that you can find a pretty solid 8-16 beat loop in even live drummed track.

    The only time you should be trying to just cut over to new tracks is when you’re changing genres drastically, doing a scratch routine, or both songs have vocals in the sections you want to mix.

    #2139961
    Dizzle
    Participant

    Also, if the song I’m mixing in is one that hasn’t been ‘processed’ (cue point & beat gridded correctly) yet and the beat is not too complex or variable, I’ll set some cue points or adjust the beat grid using my controller after adjusting the gain and previewing the potential mix in my headphones. Sometimes I find it actually helps me from rushing through the songs too quickly.

    #2140031
    Glorina Julian
    Participant

    @Dizzle – Thanks man! Solid info!

    Thanks to everybody for the helpful info to my newb questions. May all your DJ karma be given back to you in some way!

    #2140661

    GJ FUKIT…to piggyback off of Danzik’s, Deathy’s, Dizzle’s, and DJ Vintage’s comments. I would like to add that you should have a firm grasp and understanding of musical phrases if you’re going to juggle (or beat match) between or within a song using cue points–it’s definitely something one must practice to master.

    In fact, I practice this skill at least two to three times a week for at least one hour, after I’m warmed up from doing beat juggling, blends, and beat matching for at least 30 minutes each. I try to have the mix (beat matched, scratched, or dropped on the one) done by the end of the first verse or chorus (hook). And make sure the songs’ key match (to me it’s a must) since you’re transitioning between songs so fast usually less than two minutes; there’s more of a chance the musical phrases will sound diatonic (musically pleasing) because they’re in the key (a little music theory there–but definitely! worth mentioning.)

    I randomly select songs using the chord progression I want to practice. For example, for a C Major progression, I start with a song(s) in the “key of C Major, “ followed by a song(s) in the key of “a-minor,” followed by a song(s) in the key of “F-Major,” followed by a song(s) in the key of “d-minor,” followed by a song in the key of “G Major” and finally back to a song in the key of “C Major” thus completing the chord progression, then I repeat the process in a different Key.

    I hope this helps.

    Respectfully,

    DJ Nivekone a.k.a DJ Nivek1

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