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January 13, 2015 at 9:43 am #2120461
Terry_42
KeymasterHi and welcome!
If you play live you have to buy.
Licenses of Youtube, Spotify etc. do not allow you to play their music live.January 13, 2015 at 10:46 am #2120571DJ Vintage
ModeratorYou are in the absolute best place to be buying music these days. There is plenty of option to listen before you buy. Read some of the articles on the blog and threads here on the forums (the search button is your friend, albeit it a sometimes slightly unfriendly one – at least at the forums) on finding music. There is plenty around, even free.
The reason I say you are in the best place, is because this shortness of cash will make you consider, reconsider and re-reconsider what tracks you will actually buy. It will give you the right frame of mind for building a collection of tracks that you will actually know intimately and will actually use. When your collection reaches a certain level (somewhere between 1000 to 2000 tracks seems to be a good measure), you should go into 1 in = 1 out mode. This way your will have a very comprehensible collection with really good tracks, EACH of which you find worth playing.
One of the major pitfalls of Digital DJ-ing is the sheer abundance of music. Many people fall into the trap of sticking anything they hear into their collection. 20.000+ tracks is nothing special and 40.000+ is no exception either. It’s totally impossible for most people to correctly manage and know all these tracks to the extent necessary to use them properly in a set.
If you are spending hard-“earned” and limited cash on tracks, you WILL become very picky about what you let into your collection. And you can feel proud that you are someone that pays the artists for their work.
January 14, 2015 at 12:37 am #2120961Jay
ParticipantHi Peter, good to see you taking steps and asking questions!
As a DJ, you should be looking not just at quality music, but at the quality of said music, or KBPS. Many MP3 rips from YouTube or Soundcloud are only about 128 KBPS, whereas the best MP3 files, ones bought off Beatport and the like are 320 KBPS. I’d encourage you, if you get the chance, to listen to a song at both qualities through the same set of speakers and notice the difference. It might not seem like a huge difference, but if you were to play a lesser quality on a set on massive speakers, say at a club or a live gig, then the difference would be easy to spot by people with an untrained ear.
Starting up as a DJ, I’d recommend getting a Soundcloud account and following artists you like. I’ve found EPs for free download from the legitimate artist on Soundcloud that I had bought years ago, and you’ll also find a lot of remixes and mashups if you search for songs you’d like to DJ with. And almost all of the time, these free downloads are 320 KBPS MP3s.
DJ Vintage is right – it’s better to have 100 golden tracks than 10,000 that will mean nothing in a years time. By carefully selecting each track and loving it to bits, you’ll know it a lot better than some random chart topper from 2009 that had a really good drop.
January 14, 2015 at 4:22 am #2120981Peter Clarke
ParticipantAh okay. It’s definitely good to be careful in what you choose. Thing is though I would rather be very up to date with my collections (though the odd old track is fine), enough to do a mix tape/podcast with all (or mostly) new tracks (at least 15). Suppose maybe my limit would have to be £15 a month. Though having them sold on iTunes isn’t exactly up to date for me. An up to date song in my eyes is a song that is being played a lot on the radio, very up to date is a song being played on the radio for the first time (e.g. Special Delivery on Annie Mac, BBC Radio 1, who I am a massive, massive fan of). Most of the time, those very up to date songs are not on iTunes; can be on Beatport sometimes although more expensive.
I’m no good at finding free music lol. Where can you find free and legal music? If it’s Soundcloud, is there an easier way of finding songs with free download links? The only place I know for free music is Free Music Monday by Annie Mac lol.
What do you mean by 1 in = 1 out mode btw lol. It would take me too long to reach 1000 tracks lol, that would take me like 5-6 years if my money doesn’t get better when order lol, meaning most tracks would become old lol.
Did I say lol too much? :/
January 14, 2015 at 4:29 am #2120991Peter Clarke
ParticipantAh just saw your post Jarrod. Yeah I have Soundcloud and following loads of artists (Duke Dumont, Hannah Wants, Sigma, and so much more). Does anyone know any good Soundcloud accounts for free legal downloads or an easier way to find free downloads?
I have noticed the quality situation with converters. I have listened to versions of one track converted by two converters, one did seem better than the other one, a lot of bass in the better one though). So yeah.
January 14, 2015 at 7:43 am #2121021DJ Vintage
ModeratorA lot of bass might sound fine on a set of monitor speakers and totally overwhelming on a PA with massive subs. Hence Jarrod’s remarks about getting 320MP3 from a reputable source (not everything labelled 320kbps MP3 on the internet actually is and/or it doesn’t come from a good source file).
You have to ask yourself what is important and what is feasible. If you want your mixtape to mainly be the newest stuff, that will mean lots of digging and searching (i.e. putting in time) rather than buying stuff. If you want your mixtapes to be about the musical story you want to tell with your selection, it being the absolutely newest becomes somewhat less important for example.
The reality IS that you are on a budget. Believe it or not, this is how vinyl DJs started. Searching discount bins, begging people for stuff they didn’t play, trying to talk a plugger out of some demo’s. Friend of my family was a album cover designer, occassionally he’d toss a 12″ my way (this was mid-70s !!!). My 10 guilders allowance per week would get me maybe two singles. You borrowed records from friends if you had a party to play. You got creative.
If you don’t have money, but you do have time, invest it wisely in finding those new gems. Become a leader by becoming proficient in searching. There are some good articles on how to find new places to look for (free) tracks over on the blog. The searching for track and finding the up and coming hits will be what your mixtapes will be famous for.
What we are saying here, you have to put in the work. Even with help and tips from people on here, there is plenty of stuff to discover. Buy those 15 pounds worth of new tracks, so what if that takes you 5 years to have 1000 track library, that’s irrelevant. You think club DJs only play the latest tracks ALL NIGHT LONG? Or the crowds expects to hear nothing older than 2 months? Sure there will be places like that, but on average I’d say a DJ who can paint a picture with his entire collection (regardless of the age of the tracks in it) is two steps ahead of the pack.
There is about 20 tracks in an hour. An full night residency will run 4 hours (main part) for example. That means you need 160 tracks (about double of the actual amount that fits in the time slot so you have something to chose from). So you might have to go get a job for two weeks washing dishes, so you can carefully select the first 200 tracks you want. You then have something to begin with. 15 tracks is about 1 mixtape if you manage to find another couple of free tracks. So once you have your 200 track base collection, you can make a new mixtape every month AND play out if you like. Knowing that while you have only 200 tracks plus say 25 new ones a month, that EVERY track in that collection is playable.
I hope the message is clear here. Make do with what you got. You can’t expect others to do the work of sourcing free new hot tracks for you (although it’s a good place to start), you have to put in the work yourself, look for obscure new labels, artists, DJs, listen, listen and listen to a zillion tracks and cherry pick YOUR winners.
As Phil Morse often states, what seperates DJs from ordinary music consumers is that we listen to 20 times as much music if not more.
Hope that helps some.
January 14, 2015 at 7:49 am #2121031DJ Vintage
ModeratorOh, the 1 in – 1 out thing. Say you have, in a few years, built up a collection of say 500 tracks. By then it’s already sensible to take some time occassionally to see if everything in your collection is still fresh enough and you play tracks regularly. Otherwise, toss them! It’s useless ballast. Once your collection reaches it’s maximum, an arbitrary number to be determined by you, for every new track you buy, you throw one out.
This accomplishes that a) the track you buy new has to be better than the “worst” track currently in your collection, which will increase the overall quality of your collection continuously and b) your collection will be of a size you are comfortable with, has only properly prepped tracks and you are intimately knowledgeable about what’s in the collection.
January 16, 2015 at 12:44 am #2122771Peter Clarke
ParticipantThanks for that advice!! You say that DJs listen to 20 times as much music than normal listeners? Is that songs itself or how much we listen or both. Sorry, such ridiculous questions aha!!
January 16, 2015 at 9:16 am #2122911DJ Vintage
ModeratorOnly dumb question is the question not asked imho (and the same question asked over and over once a valid answer has been given obviously 😀 ).
Mainly listening to more music from more sources. And usually actively seeking to find new music to listen to.
When, in all that music you listen to, there is something you like and think you are gonna use in your sets, then it’s time to listen to it a few more times. There are tracks that sound great first time round and after three listens you go “nah, don’t think so”. So by listening multiple times you’ll find out if the initial “lure” stays or is gone. In the latter case you saved some hard earned $ by not purchasing it after the first listen.
February 4, 2015 at 5:55 pm #2135571Peter Clarke
ParticipantSorry for the late reply. Anyway, I have made my first mixtape!! Which I have posted on the mixtape/podcast/show thread thing.
Have uploaded it onto Soundcloud and Mixcloud.
https://soundcloud.com/peter-clarke-39/mixtape-1
It is my first mixtape. Are a 2/3 mixes I feel like I could have done better after listening back.
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