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  • #2111501
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Just an easy question to start the day off eh?

    To begin with, CDs are not what CDJs are about. Don’t know too many DJs actually using CDs anymore. Modern CDJ’s are all used with USB-sticks with tracks prepared in RekordBox as you already concluded.

    RekordBox allows you to prep your material for a gig. You can do playlist, set cue points, loops and such. All that information transfers to the USB-stick together with the actual tracks. Also, it will index your music based on the fields you choose, making searching for tracks easier on the CDJs.

    At the end of the day, it’s not about the gear. If you don’t know how to use cue points, loops and such, RekordBox will just turn your USB-stick into glorified CDs.

    I would suggest you start by getting the free DJ course over on the blog. It will give you a basic insight into what DJ-ing is all about.

    I’ll leave the tips to these two specific controllers to the other readers 🙂

    Good luck.

    #2111641
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    And I have DJed in Japan. Yes they all have CDJs, but they also all have techs that setup your controller if you do not want to use CDJs.

    So learn DJing and then think about Rekordbox later, you prolly wont use it anyways.

    #2111821

    Thanks for your advice! I’ll definitely check out the tutorial.

    The thing is, I can’t bring my controller to Japan anyways so I’d rather use Rekordbox. So for me, I think I’m just looking for a controller that will allow me to practice using Rekordbox as well experience DJing on CDJ’s or something very similar to it. I’m assuming that those two controllers by Pioneer are similar to djing on cdj’s….

    Anybody know if they are??

    Thanks

    #2111871
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    The XDJ R1, kind of supported Rekordbox, but its very limited, I believed its not even displaying Playlist that you made in Rekordbox, correctly, plus the display is just god-awful ugly (compared to the CDJ 2000 series)

    There is nothing really in Rekordbox that you cant learn, if you already owned some sort of controller, the learning-curves in the Rekordbox its not all that steep, if you already mastered the basic of DJ-ing

    It will not help you “better” in DJ-ing, its just assist you much nicer, when you use the rekordbox on any rekordbox-able CDJ’s, but hey you dont know what it is yet that you missing anyway since you aint try it yet, so you not missing much, imo

    Install one in your laptop, and mess around on it yourself its another way to “learn” it functions and stuff

    #2112051

    I see. I’ll download Rekordbox on my computer to see what it’s like first like you suggest.

    #2112591
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    you do not need to “practice” rekordbox. It is a pretty organising software nothing else.
    If you know how to DJ and you know how to use iTunes, you pretty much should have rekordbox figured out in 5min or less, or you simply are not there yet, no matter on what you practice.
    And slapping a controller in a DJ backlog with your laptop and taking it around the world in your hand luggage on ANY plane is not that hard too. I mean I have traveled all over the world with TWO controllers in my hand luggage…

    #2113131

    Thanks Terry_42. I’d be lucky if I can get a few gigs DJing and I need the luggage space for hauling stuff around for my real job, so no I probably won’t be carrying a controller to Japan. But I get your other point about “practicing” rekordbox is not absolutely necessary which in that case, something like a Stanton SCS 4DJ would save me lots of money entering the DJing business. BUT, I still feel there are advantages to having my music organized in Rekordbox and getting used to it. Is it worth paying the premium of Pioneer gear though? This part I’m not sure.

    The XDJ-Aero and XDJ-R1 both look appealing on paper but I’ve been reading that they have their issues such as compatibility and limitation of hardware/software. I opened up Rekordbox on my mac and immediately noticed that there were two different formats 1. CDJ/AERO/XDJ-100 2. XDJ-R1 3. MEP-4000. Does this mean that if I buy the R1 and organize all my music for it, I wouldn’t be able to just export what I need for a gig and use it on a CDJ? Couldn’t find any info on that.

    Also, I’ve read that the XDJ-R1 has had A LOT of software/hardware issues outlined in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAQHukiiM04 One that I don’t get is that cue points set in Rekordbox don’t transfer to the XDJ-R1? (WTF)

    And it sounds like the Aero can’t set hot cue points either, plus no wave form of tracks and a super small screen making it difficult to look for tracks sounds pretty bad.

    Does anyone know if these issues were resolved through firmware updates? and if not, what other controllers would you guys recommend?

    #2113191
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Having your tunes in rekordbox makes absolutely no sense, since rekordbox is absolutely awful to use as an organisation tool.
    Most who use a Nexus setup (like me sometimes) use something else, many use iTunes to organise their music.

    My workflow:
    Organise Music in iTunes

    Use MixedInKey to analyse and autocomment mp3-tags

    Make playlists for gig in iTunes

    Open Rekordbox

    Select Playlist you have prepped for your gig and additional tunes to fill up the USB drives and hit ANALYSE in rekordbox (rekordbox has an iTunes integration going on…)

    When analyse is finished setup CUE points in rekordbox for files that do not have them already

    Export to USB stick(s)

    Go to gig

    No the issues of the R1 are still there and are not likely to be resolved as some of them due to comments from Pioneer staff are “working as intended”.
    And yes you are right, if you use rekordbox with the R1 those files have to be re-done and re-analysed if you want to use them with anything else but the R1 (say a Nexus setup).
    So actually using iTunes and a controller with some decent DJ software looks pretty nice by now…

    You say you are lucky if you get any gigs, I have to say, yes because you are gear centric in your views. Promotors and managers usually do not know much about DJing, but they know people and being gear centric does make one look more unprofessional. Japanese are very intuitive people, so the right attitude and presentation is extremely important.
    For instance I NEVER asked if I could play with my controller in a Japanese club. I went there with my controller as if it was the most normal thing in the world. You will most likely have to audition if it is a bigger club in Japan and they are a tough crowd to please. So I do not know how much luggage you carry, but wasting that extra 100 on a flight case and some extra luggage allowance on the flight might pay off.

    #2113241
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    What I fail to grasp (no doubt due to me), is why you CAN carry around 2 CDJ(like) players and a mixer, but it’s not possible to carry around a single controller.

    If it’s the all-in-one size that bothers you, there are some decent modular units out there now.
    A small 2 channel controller/mixer without jogs will fit anywhere in your suitcase and hook up to your PC and allow you to play around.

    As Terry said, there are way better ways to manage your collection and with the ease of use in going from iTunes to RekordBox, that would certainly be my favorite method (and actually is, although I go from Mixvibes Cross to RekordBox, not from iTunes).

    #2113271
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Indeed the 2 new Akai come to mind.

    #2113731

    Appreciate your help guys.

    I’m from Japan and I know that we’re generally difficult people to please, and sure maybe I’m too gear centric so people won’t take me seriously, but that’s fine for me because my goal for summer 2015 is to be able to play at a few mid-size bars/clubs that I have affiliations with. I know that they all use CDJ’s with Rekordbox which is the main reason why I’m keen on being prepared to use it. If I get any gigs beyond that, hurray! but if not, that’s totally okay. One step at a time right?

    DJ Vintage> I don’t think I ever said I can or would carry any equipment abroad. I checked out Mixvibes Cross and it sounds awesome. Do they follow through on their promises? I’m really shocked that Pioneer would release a incomplete and buggy product like the aforementioned controllers.

    #2113821
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    If you would be DJing like us for over 20 years, nothing that Pioneer does surprises you honestly.
    They have sometimes broken boundaries and release gear that was well beyond anything you could expect and perfectly done and then they brought out buggy software and gear that nobody knew why and how to use it without any explanation on how to use it.
    I guess no company is perfect, but Pioneer has brought some really good stuff this year like the DDJ-SX2 and SZ. Two flagship controllers that really fit the bill and are perfect for their use case.
    But then there are products like the R1, the DJM 2000 Nexus etc. that nobody really uses or I seldom see used.

    If you want to use the CDJ systems of that clubs, just follow my workflow with iTunes + Rekordbox and you will be fine.
    I had 2 short sets in german clubs last year where I did the same, just showed up with 2 USB sticks prepped the day before and went to use their CDJs. No worry there.

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