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December 11, 2014 at 4:45 am #2105441
siddharth.jha.email@gmail.com
ParticipantI’m still using the Mixtrack Pro 2, and VDJ. No rekordbox for me.
But I have 3 cue-points at my leisure. I set the first one at a calm place, the second at the drop and the third at a smooth place. So I can get the crowd going mental or ease things down a bit at my own pace.
My mixing points are determined by the track that I’m about to mix in. If one has a weak breakdown with vocals and the other has a lush break, I’ll mix them over the breakdown. If a track has a really cool buildup and the other has a huge drop, I’ll simply cut across to the next one just as the build is over.
Of course for this to happen you need to “know your music” well. I’ve heard of DJs simply ripping off tracks from Youtube and just hitting play in front of the crowd without even listening to it once, and calling themselves a “DJ”.
I feel you shouldn’t have a fixed mix-in or mix-out points because it would just limit your options and reduce your creativity. Don’t be afraid o trying something new every time. I learnt this lesson last week 🙂
December 11, 2014 at 4:48 am #2105451dt17
ParticipantThanks for taking the time to reply.
What do you do if you’re playing back 2 back with someone who drops a track you haven’t heard before or aren’t familiar with? How do you know when to mix?
Also, some guys like Armin van Buuren, Markus Schulz, Neptune Project play sets for 5+ hours…are you telling me they know EVERY tune inside out and ‘just know’ when to mix lol?
December 11, 2014 at 4:53 am #2105461siddharth.jha.email@gmail.com
ParticipantI’m not saying you need to know a tune inside-out. Once you’re into the music, It will all come naturally to you. You will know precisely when a breakdown is approaching and you’ll be able to predict when a track is going to be dropped. The real fun lies in how a DJ manages to surprise the crowd with these tricks.
As for playing B2B, I haven’t had any experience with that, that’s something new to me as well. Maybe someone more experienced will be able to help us 🙂
December 11, 2014 at 8:07 am #2105571Lamid45G
ParticipantIf you playing B2B with someone, a good practice would be errr practiced with them before the event first, that way you can get comfortable playing together, you can also assigned tasks to each other, like DJ A plays 2 songs first, then switch to DJ B, plays another 2 songs again before the change-up, plus there would be no surprises cuz each one of you already know each other songs/playlist
And while DJ A mixing, DJ B can do other stuff, like pumped the crowd, MC ing with the mike, or playin with the FX and such and vice versa.
December 11, 2014 at 8:34 am #2105631Terry_42
KeymasterThat is the downside to using CDJs actually what you are doing.
I simply look at the waveform in Serato, zoom it so I can see where the track does what and then go by feel. If I have songs I play often I have up to 8 color coded cue points and I use the colors to tell me for what it is (red = mix out, blue = mix in,…)
That is why CDJs are a thing of the past.December 11, 2014 at 10:37 am #2105851dt17
ParticipantTo be honest where I’m from they’re not a thing of the past…they’re club standard. I mainly mix trance music and the trance scene in my area is actually quite good…but every event/club I’ve been to in the last couple of years – everyone (apart from Paul van Dyk – who has his own amazing setup!) has been using CDJs in the clubs.
December 12, 2014 at 8:10 am #2106271DJ Vintage
ModeratorMy two cents (try stopping me LOL).
Yes, knowing MOST of your music for a set intimately helps. In the vinyl days there were no cue points and no serious DJ I know/knew that wrote down stuff like time to mix in or out (if only because TTs had not clock on them 🙂 ).
So, coming from that background, everything modern technology offers you is a bonus. One that should be used as it gives you countless extra possibilities and creative options.
The thing is, modern music is built to pretty exacting formats. And the building blocks are typically all the same length and the same order. Also there are various end-of-track options to use when playing back to back (down to 4-beats of silence and a big drop to start your set with) that will get you out of a “I don’t know the tune this guy is playing” pinch.
So, if you know the general format for tracks and assuming you have no wave forms available, listening and counting and knowing the track you are using to mix in with will get you to where you are going in a professional and relaxed manner.
December 12, 2014 at 8:48 am #2106291Terry_42
KeymasterIf you are going to rent a scooter in one of various locations (Phillipines, Mallorca, Ibiza, British Virgin Islands,…) a Kymco 50ccm is pretty much the standard and everyone can drive it, that does not mean it is the best scooter and you should get one if you have to buy one. It is the smallest easiest fully automatic scooter anyone can drive.
I still think my Yamaha MT-07 Motorcycle outperforms it by a long shot.
Now of course my motorcycle is about 6 times more expensive than that scooter. But in the DJ world the scooter is 5 times more expensive. So why get one in the first place, unless it is all you can drive?
December 12, 2014 at 12:44 pm #2106491dt17
ParticipantThat’s not really the point though Terry, for me it’s a lot easier to mix using a controller & laptop (having waveforms display etc) than it is learning on CDJs.
Plus the reason I actually got rid of my controller to get CDJs is because all the trance events in my area (which is essentially where I’d love to play) use them…so I could hardly just stroll up with my own gear and expect them to adapt for me.
December 13, 2014 at 10:07 pm #2106961Terry_42
KeymasterSorry to hear that. I never had the issue, since it usually takes me 10min to show them I can mix on CDJs and another 10min to show them that I can do more with a controller than with their CDJs so they gladly provide a channel on the house mixer for me to plug in. It is not like that it takes a lot to wire one cable to something. And on bigger festivals or real big clubs (Ministry of Sound, Octagon, Millennium Club,…) they have techs that gladly hook you up, since they already know what the future is.
However yes there are corners of the world where progress is slower and of course it is anyones own choice to either take the hard way and fight for progress and freedom of creative expression, or go easily with the flow.
And of course it is anyones choice how to express themselves, so if CDJ is your weapon, by all means go for it. -
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