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  • #2048313
    DJ Vintage
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    Congratulations on the gig.

    Usually setups like this use different PA systems, using 70V or 100V systems. Also there will be some delay issues over a 200ft distance. And 4 speakers on this kind of square metres is probably not gonna be enough. You really want a larger number of (smaller) speakers. If not the line-systems (70V/100V) then at least active speakers (which also means running mains cabling).

    If it’s a large marathon I am guessing there is a budget for the PA system too. I would personally not try to cover two blocks with the 4 speakers you have. Is there any way you can hire the correct PA and have it set up by the rental company? That way you only have to plug in your gear and not worry about the PA.

    There is a lot more to PA (especially specific outdoor events like marathons) than just dropping 4 speakers on the street and turning the volume up. It’s as much a science and experience and right gear issue as DJ-ing is. So, unless you know what you are doing, I would let that one be handled by professionals.

    I have been DJ-ing for 35+ years, am a certified live and studio sound engineer and have been doing quite a few specific events over the years. If I were asked to do a gig like you describe I -at a minimum- would consult with a rental company and get specific gear. Might set it up myself, because I DO have some experience, but that is it.

    To answer your questions:

    active speakers with XLR balanced cables: couple of hundred feet is no problem

    passive speakers with speaker cable: here impedance comes into play. The maximum length is based on the actual wire gauge and the impedance of speaker/amp combo (there are tables you can use to determine max length). Even with very heavy speaker cable (12AWG for example) 120ft is maximum. And where XLR will give you some leeway, speaker cable won’t. General advice is to stay within a safe margin (75-80%) of maximum length. If you need to connect more cables together, make sure you use SpeakOn cables and couplers.

    Final word on safety, if you are running mains to your speakers, be sure there are no places where kids can stick their fingers! Preferably the cable is “flown”, i.e. run through the air beyond reach of the audience.

    Hope this helps.

    #2048381
    rick sandusky
    Participant

    Thanks man for the speedy reply, I appreciate the advice and I am pretty
    amped up about DJ’ing a marthon course and this will be the largest gig for
    me thus far.
    I have a two-block /city blocks in Chicago neighborhoods to cover.
    My plan was since I have the active speakers I get power near the speakers
    –OR– I will run extension cords from a decent sized generator, which will
    require some long-ass heavy gauge cords.
    As far as audio, given your suggestions I can use an XLR or maybe Speakon
    cables to make the 200ft. run to the outer pair and then I was planning on
    using another pr. 100ft. cables to the inner speakers. I suppose there is
    no getting around a delay. I will again take your advice and talk to a
    local rental co. about some gear perhaps.

    As far as budget, it’s minimal for my portion and I supply the equipment,
    If I rent out gear then it’s a wash on the gig.

    Rock on !!!

    #2048388
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Obviously XLR is only if you have active speakers (I thought the B212s are passive and require an amp, those can’t be used with XLR of course). If all 4 speakers are active, then running xlr to the first then xlr to the second is no problem, your lenght count starts at 0 when you go from the first to the second set.

    Are you gonna have the speaker firing towards you ? Otherwise it would make more sense to have the first speakers close to you and the second set at 100 ft.

    Perhaps the rental company is already supplying the marathon organisation with sound? Or they could see it as a bit of sponsoring or something?

    #2048390
    bob6397
    Participant

    I’m fairly sure that Behringer made both active and passive versions of the B212 🙂

    If all your speakers are active, you want just XLR cable runs. Does your mixer have XLR outputs on it? or are they just Jack? If so, are the outputs balanced? (This massively reduces interference over long cable runs like yours would be)

    If they aren’t, consider sending the output through a line-level DI box (which will need it’s own power supply) to balance the sound.

    bob6397

    #2048391
    rick sandusky
    Participant

    Bob,
    Yeah I definitely have the active speaker and it does have XLR/TSR combo jacks. Today I ordered a 500′ ft. spool of microphone cable and some XLR connectors from Seismic Audio. I’ll solder my own 200′ cables, what the hell.

    I am going to need to buy a new mixer, mine is too small I have the Behringer Kenyx802 and it does not have XLR main out.
    So time to shop for a new mixer.

    #2048402
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    True and the Jack outputs are UNbalanced!

    Might have a look at the latest generation (G3) of the Yamaha MG-series. Excellent mixers for a very interesting price (well not if you want to stick in the Behringer segment of course). Also the Allen & Heath ZED-series is very nice.

    #2481081
    Stephen Iddison
    Participant

    …And there is me worrying about 7M XLR!

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