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  • #2046517
    DJ Vintage
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    With two-channel you obviously have volume control (and crossfaders) for only two channels. So running 3 tracks is not gonna be happening that way.

    Depending on the software you want, the Beatmix 4 is more expensive than the Beatmix 2, but with the full Serato software included, you save 125 USD on the upgrade from intro if you were to buy the 2. At the end that’s probably cheaper and you’d have a 4 channel mixer. It’s been accepted as a good starter controller that will accompany you for quite a while.

    Hope that helps.

    #2046665
    Vojtech Neuwirth
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    I find out that there are some 2channel controllers, but with the possiblity of controling 4deck: DENON MC3000 or Pioneer DDJ-SR (let me know if you know some others like these – they seems like the best way for me). Your Beatmix 2 (if you mean reloop’s one) doesn’t seem like it can do this.

    Beatmix 4 is it great deal? It looks plastic and when I see outputs I am dissapointed. Btw: If I want to play in the club what outputs I need? (I think I need the balanced ones, which are missing there)

    thank you for your answer

    #2046672
    Marco Solo
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    You’re talking about a 2+2 layout. You have control over 4 decks, but only 2 at a time. This is basically all mapping, if your software supports it you can map it yourself (I’ve turned my backup Mixtrack Pro II into a 2+2 controller for Traktor by cannibalizing the scratch buttons). Serato doesn’t support custom mappings, but most other packages do (Virtual DJ, Traktor, Cross, etc).
    I wouldn’t be too worried about how many decks you have as a beginner. Especially if you have or can create a 2+2 layout. If you play in a club you plug your output into the input of a mixer that’s already there. This is pretty short and therefore you don’t really need a balanced output. Nobody will hear the difference on such a short distance.

    #2046686
    Vojtech Neuwirth
    Participant

    So I can turn any 2cahnnels controller into 2+2 by reamaping?

    I would like to use serato, are you 100% sure, that I wont be able to re-map it?

    Indeed 4 channeled controler is not much better than 2+2 one (bought like that or re-maped), am I right?

    Ty bor, this helped me alot.

    #2046702
    Marco Solo
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    Not any but most. You need a button available to switch decks. The rest is software. You can remap controllers in Serato, but only ones that you add to the main controller. For instance, I have a DDJ-SR as my main controller and a Kontrol X1 Mk2 and F1 next to it. So if I went to Serato I can only map the X1 and the F1, not the DDJ-SR. If I go into Traktor, which is the one I use most, I can do whatever I want with whatever controller, even the X1 and F1 which are made by the same company. Even then, mapping is very limited.

    Wether a 4 is not much better than a 2+2 depends on what you want to do with it. If you make complicated live mash-ups of more than 2 songs it will be better to have four channels readily available. But a beginner isn’t going to do that anyway, so that’s why I said not to worry about it. You’ll have your hands completely full for a while with just two decks. Most people end up using maybe a third deck for an acapella every once in a while, but nothing too fancy. A 2+2 will cover the needs of 90% of the DJ’s I’d say. For some of those 90% it’ll be more than they’ll ever use.

    #2046871
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    @Marco:

    I am a bit lost how a 2+2 controller gives you the same functionality as a 4-channel one since you only have TWO channel faders! So the sound of decks A and C comes through the same channel 1 fader and that of decks B and D through channel 2. And without motorized faders, this is a challenge imho.

    Now I may have missed something (very likely, me being the old guy I am 🙂 ), but I am willing to learn.

    By the way, I agree with 2 channels being ok for most starting DJs, but the OP clearly expresses the wish to do stuff like adding vocals (from a 3rd deck) and such. Hence my advice to spend a few bucks more, get the FULL Serato with your controller saving you a 125 USD upgrade you’ll need anyway and have four channel faders.

    @OP: Yes, the Reloop is a good deal. There is plastic and there is plastic. The plastic on the reloop is the same (better) kind as on some of the other “plastic” controllers around from companies like Denon (MC2000) and Pioneer.
    You can’t go around thinking you can get a full metal controller for a couple of hundred euro/dollar. DJ-ing has become cheap, but not THAT cheap 😛

    Finally I am with Marco on the output end of things. For practicing RCA is fine, it’s also fine for DJ-ing in venues which more than likely hook you up through the house mixer with a short cable. And if need be, you can always buy a little box for 50 euro that let’s you plug in RCA and give you balanced XLR and Jack.

    #2046887
    Vojtech Neuwirth
    Participant

    Nice! Thank you guys. Now I know what to do.

    #2046985
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    @Vintage
    Not the same, but nearly as much. In Traktor you can choose how the control should take over. Either it changes the moment you move it, or it needs to return to the original value first. It’s not as good as having four seperate controls, but it’s definitely usable for many, many routines. I don’t know how this works exactly in Virtual DJ or Serato, but this is how I do it in Traktor. I believe Cross has a simmilar functionality to Traktor, but I don’t think you can actually change it.

    I don’t think adding vocals is that difficult on a 2+2. But if you’re REALLY having problems, the only thing you need is two more faders really. Not a complete set of controls. Think out of the box, add a Kontrol F1 or Xone K2. It’ll save you a lot of money. You can even use the K2 to add equalizer functionality. And then spend the rest on a weekend in Paris or something, there will probably be enough left for that 😉

    #2046992
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Well a 4-channel controller IS just a 2-channel controller with FOUR channel mixer … My point is (especially with the full Serato deal still on) why you’d buy a 2-channel controller instead of the 4-channel. You get the extra faders which give you individual control over the volume of each (still have to select deck to control with the appropriate switch of course) at a price that is (total of hardware and Serato upgrade) less than a 2-channel version on which you have to fiddle around with two volume faders controlling 4 channels of audio 😛 .

    I don’t see how you’d need an F1 or K2 unless you want 4 actual deck controls. That WOULD be overkill imho.

    So, I stand by my initial response. Spend about the amount of the beatmix 2 with a seperate full serato upgrade, but get the 2-deck, 4-channel beatmix 4 instead 😀

    Greetinx.

    #2046999
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    If you limit the discussion to either a Beatmix 2 or a Beatmix 4, then yes, I agree going for the beatmix 4 is the better deal. But that wasn’t my point.

    #2047060
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey Marco, I was just using the beatmix as an example in this case because it also presents the most prudent financial choice at the moment, imho.

    In general, if you want to frequently use 3 or more decks (not remix/sample decks!), it is worth it in my opinion to just get a 4-channel controller. I understand your point about moving faders to the point where they were in software from which point you can use them regularly again, but I personally think that is way too much thinking and prone to mistakes. If it’s is only occassional use of a third deck, then yes, a 2-channel controller will do. But if it is more than occassional, the extra two faders are a worthwile investment I think.

    #2047084
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    Then we are in complete agreement.

    #2047112
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    😀

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