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  • #2035378
    Alchemy432
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    allo there,

    get some free/demo versions of digital audio workstations i.e. DAW’s. this is your canvas, this is the program which you do EVERYTHING in. Ableton & Fruity loops approach music creation differently but are common DAWs to start with, however ‘propellerheads reason’ is what I personally used and still use occasionally, it is far more visually obvious in reason how to patch instruments to effects to the mixer etc then in other DAWs, once you get your head around this in reason you can apply that knowledge to any other DAW.

    If you get good enough with any of the above mentioned you many never need to ‘upgrade’ to more advanced wares…

    but if you’ve been at it for 5 years and finding a noticable difference in the production quality (sound quality & mix quality) of your songs, an upgrade to ‘pro logic’ or ‘cubase’ might be just the thing you need. I use cubase personally. all the above are (now) capable of recording & working with audio, and also working with ‘midi’ recordings from devices such as drum pads or midi keyboards. every single synth or multisampler in you DAW will run using midi. there is always a window called a ‘piano roll’ in your DAW which is where you edit, paste or record midi notes and other midi information in which your synth will read in order to know what to play back.

    also I personally would avoid sony acid pro or digidesign protools… at all costs…

    when you get fx i.e. – equalizer, compressor, reverb, delay, echo, flanger, phaser, vibrato, distortion, limiter, multiband compressor/limiter, gate, filter

    OR when you get virtual sound instruments i.e. VSTs, like waveform synthesisers, grainular synthesisers, multisamplers, etc they will typically come in the form of ‘plugins’ that you install to a common directory on you pc which any and all of your DAWs read and access to bring those plugins into the DAW which is where you use them.
    the folder is typically “vstplugins” and most plugins install to that folder by default.
    most DAWs know to look for it too.

    Familiarise yourself with every single one of the above listed devices in the “fx” category. You cannot produce good music until you know exactly what each of those things do – eq, compressor, reverb, etc. they are the herbs and spices that turn your cooked chicken into something delicious. this step is essential.

    if you PC is of limited power i.e. ‘slow’ use the inbuilt fx and vsts that come with whatever DAW you choose first and stick with those, they are designed to run fast and use less resources.

    If you pc is a beast from the 72nd dimension, then here’s what I reccomend, though if you can’t use every default/stock plugin available in your chosen DAW, learn those first or you won’t know what to do with these –

    Synth & Drum Machines –
    omnisphere (most powerful synth at time of release, multi sample and multi oscillate, grain/waveform more or less everything at the same time)
    stylusrmx (drums and chaos)
    trillion (bass bass bass bass)
    Abysynth (complex synth similar to omnisphere)
    u-he zebra (great for sequences and gated melodies)
    addictive drums (drums obvi)
    toontrack drummer (also drums)

    MultiSamplers-
    With multi-samplers the device itself is mostly irrelevant, you choose a multisampler based on the libraries available and the sounds you actually want to use. be warned though, these chew up pc resources like nothing else, literally these will destroy top level ‘gaming’ pcs.

    Best service engine and packs.
    garritan ARIA engine & packs
    Camel audio alchemy engine & packs
    east west quantum leap packs – avail. for kontakt & other samplers.
    Gigasampler packs & the soundlib g-player.

    You can use the latest version of ‘kontakt’ for many sample packs and libraries from many different companies. There are some great free sample packs/instruments for kontakt out there, google search & join some forums.

    Finally and probably the most important are ‘fx’ & processing units –

    2Caudio reverbs
    Ampeg or Gutarrig or Amplitude – amp simulators & fx chains emulated from a live guitarist/bassist setup, good for anything
    sound toys series of devices
    anything by ‘waves’ the masarati series in particular
    voxengo span, fab filter, etc
    sugarbytes effectrix
    izotope trash
    melodyne

    also note, learn how to automate. every daw can do it. this is how you create fancy effects & sounds. learn what an lfo does and use it all the time until you don’t have to guess about anything anymore. experiment all the time, experiment with everything.

    fx/processors, all can be used creatively but not all are designed for that, some for creative sound modulation, others are more for production/mastering, i.e. preparing your tune for consumption by the outside world.

    typically – flange, chorus, delay, echo, phaser, distortion, vibrato, stutter, filter, are meant to creatively modulate,
    whereas – reverb, compression, noise gate, eq, limiter, pan are for mix production & mastering.

    start with midi triggered vst and only venture into audio when you have something to record, tho this depends on the genres of music you want to produce. if its hip hop, and you’re a purist, you’ll only use audio. you’ll record samples from vinyl into your daw, and rearrange the clips manually to make a beat, this is a nice way to get used to working with audio. if on the other hand you’re a trance head, its midi and vst all the way. combining both audio and midi is the best way to go and the most liberating, i.e. audio drum loop + midi triggered vst.

    the better your stereo speakers the more clarity in your mix, the easier it is to create a good and balanced mix that will sound good whether heard on your elite studio speakers, or a fans shitty ipod earbuds. you want your songs to sound great across as many different kinds of speakers/headphones/earbuds as possible. if aiming for radio airplay, learn about radio bandwidth limitations, make sure your song sounds good in stereo and mono. if aiming to only have your music sound good in clubs and played by djs, its a bit less stuffing about.

    if you can’t afford great studio quality monitoring speakers, but have access to a few pairs of decent home entertainment quality speakers, then pay for a quality pair of headphones, I use seinheiser 256s due to the price to quality factor, but there are better more expensive options. use headphones when working on spatial stuff like panning, don’t have everything in the center pan position, spread stuff around the ‘space’. use every speaker and headphone available at your disposal for getting the compression and levels right across the bandwidth (bandwidth = the audible frequency range = 20hz to 20khz) learn what hz boost what sounds, for e.g. 1.25khz, 3000hz, 800hz, 5000khz can all bring the vocals forward in a mix, make them stand out, this is what the eq is for.

    as for beast pc’s, I hate mac, will never use mac so if you are a mac fanboy I can’t help ya. but as for pc, you want an i7, you NEED an ASIO audio interface (external soundcard) you need at least 4gb ram, but the more the merrier. if you use mechanical internal harddrives you will struggle to have more then a handful of the more powerful/resource hogging multisamplers and vst running at the same time, and using ssd drives is preferable. back up your work to an external drive in case the ssd’s or your pc itself crashes, back up regularly.

    as for tutorials, do some research into the daws avail. choose one, then youtube tutorials that will get you familiar with the daw itself, its features and the basics of how to use each component. once you learn one daw inside and out, its a much faster process learning any of the others, most do the exact same things, but in different ways, and with stock plugins of different quality (note:reason can’t use 3rd party plugins at all, fruity and ableton can) find which works best for you.

    once you’ve done that, you’ll be making your own tunes and need to then learn about production/mixing/mastering. again youtube is your friend here, look up artists/producers from the genre you’re working in whose music u love and style you want to emulate, its likely they will have their own production tips & tutorial videos for you to watch, for e.g. mistabishi, noisia and brooks brothers all have production tips & tricks tutorial videos for those wishing to do dnb.

    GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN!!!

    Peace.

    #2035380
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    So Alchemy when u opening up class for Production here in ddjdt ? =)

    #2035381
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    also, if your pc can handle it, only ever work in 24bit or higher, 41k sample rate. only render out your main stereo output as a 24bit or higher wav. if you need to convert to mp3 or acc (aac?) to upload to a website, render from the daw as 24bit+ wav first and convert after.

    also regarding ASIO, if you have firewire, use it. buy an ASIO audio interface that uses firewire to connect. if you only have usb, then avoid the mbox series of interfaces. I recently upgraded from an mboxmini2 usb to a sapphire pro 24 firewire.

    firewire can handle more simultaneous channels of audio then usb. ssd drives, ram & processor speed all contribute to how fast your daw can access data for the vst, instruments etc. clipping, distortion, audio drop outs & stuttering are all the result of too much strain on your pc and ASIO device.

    if I think of anything else I’ll b back to post again..

    Peace.

    #2035383
    Alchemy432
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    @rizki,
    lol, cheers bud 🙂

    would prob have to adhere to traditional methods for that tho to avoid flaming and general hatred from “real” producers.. the ones with qualifications and limitless cash resources… and I’m an eccentric weirdo who does things like singing into an empty coffee cup and recording that to get different reverb/filter fx… so prob many of my methods wouldn’t fly with many ppl 😛

    I’m releasing a few albums over this year and the next.. my first commercial releases.. if they do well then I’ll kno for sure that my crazy methods are sound & effective.. 😉

    #2035385
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    one other thing, when you’ve been doing this for a long time, and think you know everything you need to know, soundonsound magazine’s online website tutorials will show you that there’s a hell of a lot more you could learn…

    #2035479
    Nonso Okoye
    Participant

    thanks Alchemy for the detailed feedback. one thing though, please any online course on production? I need a structured tutorial.

    #2035481
    Nonso Okoye
    Participant

    something close to our courses in digitaldjtips

    #2035512
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    Alright mate,

    first you have to choose a DAW. you can find ‘demo’ videos on youtube. Or, look up what your favourite producer/artist uses and give that a try or select one of the ones I mentioned earlier.

    The only videos I know about that offer anything similar to what you’re looking for, step by step tutorial of how to actually operate the software come from https://www.askvideo.com/

    the ones I’ve seen and used are – absynth, cubase, melodyne and reason.

    They are boring but informative and step by step of the program, from the absolute basics, to more advanced stuff when you’re ready. I’ve never had to buy them as a friend of mine already had and lent me his copies so I don’t know of the costs involved or if there’s any realtime or real human support to go with the videos.

    Once you’re familiar with the operation of the DAW, I stand by what I said earlier regarding youtube videos.

    look for “how to create a _______ using ____” replacing the blanks with the sound you want, and the daw you use. e.g. “how to create a wobble bassline using reason” you WILL find several different methods of creating that bassline, and LEARN very quickly through actually DOING things, how to achieve what you want to.

    as for music production tutorials and tips, again, youtube, again, producers that you like, but to be more specific:
    Computer Music Magazine – Producer Masterclass Series
    Future Music Magazine – Producers In The Studio
    Boy In A Band Tutorials

    Honestly, thats all you need right there.

    As for reading the manual and documentation that comes with your DAW, no one expects anyone to read those things in there entirety, instead what you do is wait till your presented with a problem e.g. “how do I save my project?” then you open the help/manual and search for your question, read the results. I still have to refer to the manual every once in a while and I’ve been doing this for 10+ years now. Also, if you can’t find the answers to your specific questions in the manual, its probably a case of having worded it wrong due to not knowing correct terminology for e.g. “how do I get my song out of my DAW?” the real question is “how do I export/render my song?” and in these cases, google is your friend.

    Final place I can recommend exploring for quality information, the official websites of the software you buy. Steinberg, Propellerheads, Native Instruments, Spectrasonics, etc. They almost always have their own step by step videos on how to use their software because its just the way tutorials are done nowadays.

    I hope that helps, but I want to encourage you also to do some research of your own, do some searches, make some notes and most importantly, start. don’t be afraid to stuff about and experiment whilst not knowing what you’re doing, that’s how you do things no ones ever thought of before, that’s how you create your OWN style and become an interesting producer in an over-saturated paint by numbers industry.

    Whether you like the song/artist or not, “Rusko – Woo Boost” was made before he knew anything whatsoever about anything, using acid pro (avoid this daw) a drum loop, a bassline loop, and pitch shifting. no midi, no vst, no piano-keyboard with which to play melodies, no music theory knowledge. he simply pasted the bass loop out several times, then pressed the + & – buttons on the keyboard to shift the pitch of the notes up and down until he had a melody he liked. simple as F… and that song was pretty massive all things considered.

    I wish you the best of luck,

    Peace.

    #2035542
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    Maybe the OP wants to learn more in more like “virtual class” method, where things is not scattered around here and there to avoid the confusion and the method of learning, I myself is like that, when someone pointed me out to youtube to learn stuff, I just felt like if I do that kind of learning, I’m afraid i “miss” the steps or accidentally cheating steps, kind of like when someone learned DJ for the first time, and he/she dont know any better, he/she just jumped on the laptop and just mashing sync button without knowing the basic core behind it,

    To the OP, try one of these following online producing class,
    – Dubspot (super expensive)
    – Pointblank (so so so )
    – Sonic Academy ( budgetted values)
    – Quantize Course,

    each of those offered you some kind of EDM Production tools for beginner, some with personal feedback video thing (with a price of course), I tend to try the Quantize Course but its so $$$

    #2035567
    Alchemy432
    Participant

    @rizki, ah, good stuff man. I’d never even heard of most of those!

    with all the options we’ve provided between us the guy/gal can’t go wrong 😉

    Peace

    #2036243
    Nonso Okoye
    Participant

    Thank you guys for the detailed feedback.I very much appreciate it

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