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  • April 9, 2014 at 9:57 am #2022426
    Marco Solo
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    I use an SR as well, but mostly with Traktor. I find the auto gain in Traktor not too reliable either, I end up using the gain knobs a lot with auto gain on. As far as Serato goes, whatever the certified hardware comes with is what you’ll be able to use, that’s it. There’s no way to alter mapping or routing or whatever.

    April 9, 2014 at 11:22 am #2022439
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I have never ever used auto-gain and discourage the usage in any software.

    April 9, 2014 at 4:45 pm #2022488
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Never touch auto gain. And all my mixers/controllers have working gain control. Did with Traktor and now do with Mixvibes Cross. Couldn’t tell you about Serato though. I am not one of the lucky ones, yet 😀

    Greetinx.

    April 9, 2014 at 6:01 pm #2022497
    Groovepunk
    Participant

    Thanks for the feedback everyone 🙂

    I totally agree that auto-gain is best avoided. The reason I’ve had to use it is that as far as I can tell, the physical gain knobs on the DDJ-SR have no impact on the software gain, just the gain via the Master-out (and I presume the booth-out as well).

    This is fine for playing live but doesn’t work too well when I’m trying to record directly in Serato, which takes it’s gain levels from the software, not the hardware.

    I think I may just have to run the controller back into my laptop and record in another piece of software. It’s not the end of the world but feels like a real oversight on Serato’s part if this is a real limitation!

    GP

    April 9, 2014 at 6:34 pm #2022508
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Get one of those cassette-tape look-a-like recording thingies and record from your rec out (or second master out) 🙂

    April 9, 2014 at 8:42 pm #2022530
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    The gain knobs are only software on the SR. But it is very weird that the gain is only altered after the recording in Serato. It’s as if they put no thought in it at all.

    April 15, 2014 at 9:59 pm #2023396
    Groovepunk
    Participant

    I already had a USB interface so just picked up some RCA to XLR cables and ran the controller into that. Problem solved!

    I’d rather have not had to get extra cables but I can manually control the gain properly gain so I’ll take that as a win!

    GP

    April 23, 2014 at 11:40 pm #2024657
    Nathan Kelly
    Participant

    Gains in Serato are confusing. What I found difficult to get my head around is that there are software gain controls and hardware gain controls.

    The track gains are set in software either manually or through auto-gain and the meters reflect only the software track gain.

    The master gain control is also set in software, but the master level meter is the final output of the controller’s sound card.

    On top of that confusion, the hardware track gains don’t control anything in the software (nor do they affect the level meters), but just act like volume knobs.

    So on my controller (Denon MC2000), you can’t use the hardware gain knobs like on a traditional mixer, since there are no hardware meters telling me what those gain knobs are doing.

    April 24, 2014 at 8:06 am #2024730
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey NDK,

    As I said in the other post on the subject, Platinum Notes could be an option. It does actual volume change inside the MP3, not in a tag, as I understand it. Although this is considered “destructive” behaviour (the word in this case just meaning that there is actual change to the audio signal), it’s my kind of destructive. Many gain tag edits don’t work all the time in all the (DJ) software and also depend on the implementation (what does the software do with the gain info in the tag). With PN-ed tracks, all the sound levels coming out are (just about) equal. So the DJ software has to do nothing and theoretically neither does the DJ.

    Greetinx.

    April 24, 2014 at 12:10 pm #2024756
    Groovepunk
    Participant

    Not to start a whole side conversation on Platinum Notes but I’m still not quite ready to spend $98 on it.

    I really like the concept, I’ve just seen so many people complaining about it. A fair few seems to be having an issue with PN treated tracks not working in Serato, which would really ruin my day!

    I wish they had a trial version. If I was convinced it would work 100% of the time I’d be all over it 🙂

    GP

    April 24, 2014 at 12:55 pm #2024763
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Ok,

    Unless I have things terribly wrong or they have changed their policy, MiK have a money-back guarantee. So no need to f*ck around with limited feature demo’s (like only one track at a time or no save option), but the full software. You like it, you keep it. You don’t like it, you tell them and get your money back, no questions asked.

    I think that is a pretty good way to do things.

    Greetinx.

    April 24, 2014 at 12:59 pm #2024765
    Groovepunk
    Participant

    Thanks Vintage 🙂

    That’s very, very interesting, I’ll look into that. If they do have a money-back guarantee I may well go for it!

    GP

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