Beginner Setup – need advice!
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April 8, 2014 at 7:15 am #2022208
DJ Vintage
ModeratorOk. Our current advice is to have a look at the Reloop Beatmix 4 as well. It comes with a FULL version of Serato (which saves you a 100 dollar upgrade), has great jogwheels, according to our house Reloop specialist Terry and is very complete, 4-channel and a complete steal at the 299 euro they are asking for it currently. Limited time offer apparently, so …
Secondly, depending on which type, the Sennheisers could be a good choice. The new HDJ7 and 8 are very good (not cheap though) and of course there is the inevitable HD25-II (get the alu ones ! LOL … just my wish talking).
Finally, being deaf on one side. The sound that comes out of the headphones will be stereo. There will be a knob on the controller that let’s you change the balance between cue (pre-listen) and master signal. Usually one would listen to the cue on the headphone (one-side on your ear) and the other to the master coming out of the main speakers or a booth speaker (if the main stack is too far away). This is not gonna work for you obviously. So using the cue/master knob is what you will have to make work for you.
I am guessing that you have learned how to deal with not hearing on one side and developed some compensating skills. It have had some ear infection ones during a very nasty cold and lost hearing in one ear for about 95% for a week. I did do a gig the way I just described and it can be done. Obviously I stopped practicing that after my ear healed, but goes to show it’s possible.
Actually I know there are a few guys on here that prefer to mix through their cans! If the controller/mixer doesn’t have a so-called split cue button than what comes out of each side is pretty much the same, so using one ear should be very feasible.
These days there is the additional support of things like sync buttons (like a get out of jail free card if you run out of time to get them mix right before the track runs out and you haven’t fully integrated using a long loop in your workflos 🙂 ) and waveforms on screen.
All in all I’d say go for it. The Mixtrack Pro II is a good controller, I am very charmed by the Denon MC2000 (not just because I am a Denon buff either) and, as said, you should look at the Beatmix 4.
Good luck and greetinx.
April 8, 2014 at 2:49 pm #2022271dannyboyex@gmail.com
ParticipantTo add Vintage’ comment, the Koss DJ100 headphones have a mono/stereo switch that night help you. Some other headphones have that but that’s the only one I know for sure.
April 8, 2014 at 5:33 pm #2022298Terry_42
KeymasterSet your audio to mono in your system prefs. I know several DJs who use in-ear headphones to mix which they never take off and mix via the “mix cue” fader for pre-listen and master.
April 19, 2014 at 12:03 am #2023854Thanks a lot for the detailed help, i really appreciate it! It has given me many considerations.. I live for music, but maybe this isn’t for me 🙁 Silly question I know but would it not be possible to hold the headphone close to my ear so i can hear both at the same time through one ear? (the main sound through the speakers and the pre listen in one side of the headphone) Sorry i have limited knowledge im afraid.
April 19, 2014 at 12:30 am #2023857April 19, 2014 at 3:19 pm #2024023DJ Vintage
ModeratorFor anyone with two working ears, I’d say definitely no. In your case, I am not 100% sure. You may have to look for alternatives for the way we do things, because of your particular set of physical characteristics.
One problem will be that you HAVE to have a booth speaker on the same side as the single-sided headphone for it to work.
Personally I’d still try to work it so you hear both master and cue in one earpiece at the same time. At least timing (delay between speaker and sound reaching your ear) won’t be an issue, nor will other distracting sounds/noises.
I am not sure what made you conclude this isn’t for you. Yes, you may have to find alternative ways (it’s a journey of discovery) and you might face a bit more practicing time to get to a point where you feel comfortable with your skills.
But hey, there is more to DJ-ing than being able to beatmatch! I am not saying it’s important, it is. But you can do many things without it. Back in the days of vinyl, beatmatching wasn’t an option til the first speed-control turntables showed up. And we gave some pretty good parties back then.
Don’t give up too easily. It’s not the adversity you face, it’s how you deal with it that will determine the amount of succes. As I am sure you already know, I am guessing you had to overcome other things in life too.
Good luck and keep spinning!
Greetinx.
April 19, 2014 at 9:36 pm #2024070Thankyou very much for your help, yes your right i shouldn’t let it stop me! Looks like ill be ordering myself a setup. I may go second hand and buy a cheapish one, until i have the hang of it 🙂
April 20, 2014 at 1:15 pm #2024137DJ Vintage
ModeratorThat’s the spirit. Go for it!
April 24, 2014 at 1:57 am #2024671V1JAY
Participant+ sennheiser hd-205 this is the one i can recommend for you, advantages of this one is, its cheap compared to others, has one side cable(less irritation and less chances of breaking wire). you can also go for nx audio headphones, these are cheap but not well build, cheap plastic which breaks easily.
April 24, 2014 at 8:17 am #2024733DJ Vintage
ModeratorIn the old days it was pretty common to buy a set of cans, cut off the bracket and one side earcup and just use the remaining cup as a single-sided handheld device. You’d just clench it between your shoulder and your ear while mixing (the DJ stoop is what I used to call it, looked crazy but was highly effective with your shoulder helping block out additional outside noise lol).
Numark actually sells one of these, but “on a stick”, called the Redphone (maybe they should have called it Jose, after the Jalapeno in Jeff Dunham’s shows).
Greetinx.
May 1, 2014 at 4:14 pm #2025838Yeah thanks guys, im just in the process of getting my equipment, ive already had a little practice and I really enjoy it, really takes listening to music to a new level 🙂 With the Seinnheiser HD-205 do I just buy something that channels the sound into one ear cup rather than stereo?
May 1, 2014 at 4:16 pm #2025839Or is there an alternative way to make sure all the sound produced is going through both ear cups at the same time? Also from all this i have now discovered after 21 years im not completely deaf on one side! I just only have around 5% hearing 🙁
May 1, 2014 at 10:15 pm #2025879DJ Vintage
ModeratorShort from setting your sound to mono (which it often is on the PA end in venues anyway), there isn’t anyway. Merging the l and r signal cables is a bad plan (and can actually hurt your headphone amp). So, you’d need a mono summing amp (which takes a stereo signal, feeds it through some internal circuitry and offers a mono signal at the end) to do that.
Fact of the matter is that if you have your cue mix set somewhere between cue and master, you get both out of one ear anyway (well two, but in your case you’d only be using one). Bass (kick) is mono anyway, even in a stereo system and usually they don’t pan the clap/snare hard left or right, but keep plenty of that driving sound in equal measures in l and r channel.
So, I’d just use a regular headphone and instead of listening with two ears, you’ll be listening with one. I am pretty convinced the stereo/mono issue won’t cause you to lose much (if any) musical information pertaining to mixing.
Greetinx.
May 2, 2014 at 2:11 am #2025909Lj Stevens
ParticipantJust a quick word of advice on headphones, go and listen to them, I know this sounds stupid but the amount of people I speak to who buy headphones based on hype or recommendations and then complain that they don’t sound great is a common issue. I have Sony MDR’s, Senni 25’s, Beyer Dt’s, too which some people go, I don’t like the sound of them, or not enough bass, or they don’t cut out enough background noise, so just remember they have to fit your ears!
Remember everyone’s hearing is different, everyone’s ears are different shapes and sizes, everyone hears different tones and qualities, so get down to your local shop and take a track you know well and listen to as many as you can. You will feel so much more comfortable with headphones you have chosen and heard.
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