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  • #15995

    maybe u could post a link to one of your mixes so we could hear exactly whats going on. but in my limited experience what your looking for is maybe either better phasing techniques or the way you organize your playlist. or even a combination of the two.

    wih the phasing ive found it especially energizing when u dont let songs get to the boring outro or breakdown. if u look for it youll notice every song has a point where all the energy drops or starts to fade out. usually right after 2nd chorus or shortly thereafter. depending on genre and song structure ill try to start my next songs buildup or first verse or whatever i feel fits the mood right then.

    wih song selection idk your exact problem but a common problem is not playing songs in an order accordig to energy levels. alot of people just start banging away with high energy music and cant maintain that energy for their entire set. youve got to be able to navigate and direct the energy played in your sets, which surprisingly means dropping the energy from time to time.

    put it this way if your playing lets say 5 star energy songs (see blog article on adjusting itunes rating system) one after the other, nothing really sets their energy levels apart from the other. in fact this usually kills the buzz and energy for the second 5* song being played and so forth. setting its energy legel down a notch or two. but if u released the tension for a song (or 2 or 3 etc…) and played some less energrtic songs, then started to build up again to your next 5 star tune? well your going to recieve a much stronger reaction as compared to just banging away 5*s all night long.

    you cant have the sweer without the sour or the highs without the lows. you and your crowd need something to compare your highs and lows too.

    hope that helps, send me a msg sometime if u wanna trade mixes n shoot the shit.

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    #16034

    when i do my mixes, i try to develop a theme. think of it as a movie with an intro, back story, plot, climax, and an end. think of q-berts wave twisters, it tells a story with out using words. is your mix for rocking out in the car, chillin at home, or house party? this will help set the tone and give you a better idea of your track selection complete with build ups and come downs etc. try plotting you mix like that with a theme in mind and you might find yourself surprised at what you come up with.

    #16045

    Firstly thanks for the reply guys. After posting the thread I kind of realised Im asking a very difficult question to answer, particularly with no examples to give. Ive been quite careful with track selection and track order thanks to some articles from the digitaldjtips team, although Im still open to criticism and suggestion.

    What you said about phasing BigChipsHI, it sounds to me like you could be on the right track. Im very conscious about letting the songs get boring so I try to eliminate that as much as possible. That too though can be bad seeing as, as you said, you cant have the big chorus and theme banging out the whole time. Ive my very first mix posted up on mixcloud, nothing much else uploaded yet. Too critical of my own stuff but feel free to have a listen.

    http://www.mixcloud.com/eoghan-russell/the-first-of-manyhopefully/

    #16119
    IznremiX
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    mix wasn’t bad but heres some constructive criticism:
    – too much filter at times :p

    – overall transitions were pretty good

    – song choice is a point where you can improve imo. You have some pretty cool tunes, I really liked that shake it out remix, I haven’t heard it before. but at least like half of your songs are owned by every second individual on the planet. If you want to play music that everyone knows at the bar thats fine, but for online material, why would someone listen to your mix if they’ve already heard every song in there and you aren’t doing anything to change them up (sorry if I sound mean, not my intention at all, I’m just trying to help 🙂 )

    – another reason you might feel that your stuck against a wall is because theres a lack of technicality in your mix. Some people believe that its important to just do basic a to b mixing and that doing technical stuff ruins the song. thats fine if thats your philosophy, but imo, it really adds on and I think you should look into developing some technical skills. Howard Stern mentioned that he hates seeing big name djs just stand there play song after song (with some basic mixing in the between). Hes not a edm mastermind by any accord but he has a point, its not hard to do that, and honestly you could teach anyone to play like that in a few weeks. what takes time and effort to learn is great song selection and great technical ability, you don’t want to be the type of dj he was dishin out.

    again, I’m not trying to be discouraging at all, these are all things that take years to get good at (and by no means am I good at all of these things myself), but I think if you start developing your song choice and technical skills (cutting, faster transitions, mash ups, etc.) you’ll find yourself having more fun with djing and becoming a better dj over all.

    #16129

    Thanks for the response. I defo agree with you about the filter. That was my first live recorded mix and I got a bit carried away haha.
    I dont mind my songs choice so much. I play what I like, although I definitely want to find some different edits of songs too.
    The technicality thing is exactly what I was looking for when posting this thread. I’ll absolutely have to work on it. I think Im trapping myself with where I want to mix in and out of songs so Im not giving myself the time to work on things.

    Thanks again

    #16204
    2SHAE!
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    First I wanna say cool mix…I love alot of these songs. But maybe your not feeling that specific spark because alot of these songs are now aged…great songs indeed, however few are 3+ months old and some others are 3+ years old lol…Theres one more thing, and I hate being the guy saying it because people used to tell me similar things…your transitions need work. Not so much the fade/filter ones (Those are actually quite well done), but the beat matching transitions. I noticed on the first two beatmatched style transitions you weren’t starting it on the 32nd, 16th, or 8th outro/intro bar of the songs, and they seemed kind of just randomly placed. Perfect timing and ending/starting on the 1/1 is important. IMO 16 bars (64 beats) is the perfect length to beatmatch a 125-130 bpm track. When Im down to 8 bars left I usually reverse the bass on both EQs, with 4 bars left I switch the remaining mids and trebles. Overall I can def see some potential for some solid mixing skills/song choice so I went ahead and followed you via mixcloud. If youd like to get an idea of what I was saying above, check out just the first 3 song transitions on my latest mix, pacha sessions 2. There is also no effects used similar to yours, but I feel the proper transitions, song selection, and track order are the most important things to have in a successful mix.

    #16217
    IznremiX
    Participant

    2SHAE!, post: 16283, member: 1459 wrote: First I wanna say cool mix…I love alot of these songs. But maybe your not feeling that specific spark because alot of these songs are now aged…great songs indeed, however few are 3+ months old and some others are 3+ years old lol…Theres one more thing, and I hate being the guy saying it because people used to tell me similar things…your transitions need work. Not so much the fade/filter ones (Those are actually quite well done), but the beat matching transitions. I noticed on the first two beatmatched style transitions you weren’t starting it on the 32nd, 16th, or 8th outro/intro bar of the songs, and they seemed kind of just randomly placed. Perfect timing and ending/starting on the 1/1 is important. IMO 16 bars (64 beats) is the perfect length to beatmatch a 125-130 bpm track. When Im down to 8 bars left I usually reverse the bass on both EQs, with 4 bars left I switch the remaining mids and trebles. Overall I can def see some potential for some solid mixing skills/song choice so I went ahead and followed you via mixcloud. If youd like to get an idea of what I was saying above, check out just the first 3 song transitions on my latest mix, pacha sessions 2. There is also no effects used similar to yours, but I feel the proper transitions, song selection, and track order are the most important things to have in a successful mix.

    but all the really good songs are at least 10 years old 😉

    #16229
    2SHAE!
    Participant

    Apart of your DJing skills leaves the equipment here. The ability to find those new tracks before the mainstream, that you know will blow up, that people will be listening to 10 years down the road is a great feeling. So try to find them first and include them in your mix. Personally, unless I dedicate myself to making a classic songs mix, I only mix new songs from the current month. This way I can learn all of the best new tracks from the month and see how they work together.

    #1003210
    shr3dder
    Member

    Restricting yourself to new music is a terrible idea.

    Release date really shouldn’t matter that much. Good music is good music regardless of when it came out.

    Then again some people seem to love playing the latest top 10 from Beatport like 5 million other DJs

    #16267
    2SHAE!
    Participant

    shr3dder, post: 16334, member: 1473 wrote: Restricting yourself to new music is a terrible idea.

    Release date really shouldn’t matter that much. Good music is good music regardless of when it came out.

    Then again some people seem to love playing the latest top 10 from Beatport like 5 million other DJs

    My point is: I make mixes with new music just to keep up with it. I get to know newer tracks much better and get more experienced with them before playing them live. Making a mix with classics is fine, but you wont get that same energy, than when you use something fresh, because you already know those those tracks inside and out.

    Another counterpoint to your comment: I agree choosing every song off the top 10 is a DJ sin. however, my mixes tend to be with new music before they get on the charts, or even on Beatport for that matter. (if you were talking about my mix, you’ll notice its 2 weeks old, and now some of the songs have now charted, while others are being released later this month) Ive noticed that it usually takes a few days after the release of a track for it to get on Beatport. It also takes a few more days to become popular and land in the top 10 of that genre. Sure, some of the newer songs you may select may be popular already, but its nice when you choose a group of songs that aren’t available on Beatport at that date, yet chart 2-4 weeks later.

    #1003217
    shr3dder
    Member

    I get making mixes with new tunes to get to know them, I do that myself.

    However my main point is that release date of a tune shouldn’t matter at all when playing to a crowd or making a promo mix, in fact it’s one of the last things I consider when choosing a tune. A whole set of new tunes would probably be more uninteresting and uninspired then a whole set of older tunes. A balance is the key. Especially with a demo if your trying to show your “style”.

    I love finding new tunes before they hit it big too, but if a tune was made in 1994, 2004 or came out this morning really doesn’t matter. A good tune is a good tune.

    #16275
    shr3dder
    Member

    2SHAE!, post: 16283, member: 1459 wrote: I love alot of these songs. But maybe your not feeling that specific spark because alot of these songs are now aged…great songs indeed, however few are 3+ months old and some others are 3+ years old lol…

    It was this comment I really objected too.

    3 months old.. the ability to pull out older (3 months is not old) tunes can really define you as a DJ.

    #16283
    2SHAE!
    Participant

    In this post, I was mainly focusing on my personal podcast mixes. For a podcast, I like to select ALL new music, to give people who listen, the chance be knowledgeable of the latest music/future bangers. When playing live presently, I take the best tracks from all the podcasts (and other music) and compile them into a playlist. (for example, I remember putting Levels on a podcast back in May 2011, but obviously still play it now)

    When playing to a crowd, the date of the song doesn’t matter nearly as much, and like you said, having a proper balance of classic/chart/new/unreleased songs is key. However still, I think supplying your crowd with the BEST of your latest/unavailable tracks, before they get big, is quite important. IMO, a big part of being a DJ is giving people what they want, as well as educating them in a sense of what could be big for the future. If you play “only what they want” then your set will not have any originality, and it’ll seem like amateur hour in the DJ booth. The crowd may positively, or negatively react depending on the selection, and timing of playing new tunes, but I think its well worth taking the risk with the BEST ones you got.

    #16285
    shr3dder
    Member

    I’m all for new tunes and educating… (I play a lot of tech house so there’s not as many “big songs” compared to the more commercial (avicii, shm, alesso etc) end of house your talking about)

    I just find it hard to fathom someone criticizing someone elses mix for having a tune 3 months old on it, especially when I’d hardly call someone finding a new Ingrosso/Alesso/Avicii etc tune unique, I’d guarantee a million other DJs would’ve also found that tune, not having a crack but seriously those guys are probably some of the biggest DJs in the world. Everyone follows their new tunes.

    Like your sig says, At the end of the day its all about the music. Not the release date.

    #16286
    2SHAE!
    Participant

    shr3dder, post: 16357, member: 1473 wrote: It was this comment I really objected too.

    3 months old.. the ability to pull out older (3 months is not old) tunes can really define you as a DJ.

    I should have worded it better, and theres nothing wrong with using songs 3 months old. But the original poster asked why he doesn’t get the same “spark” from his mixes. Popular artists that I like produce a monthly/weekly mix, where the songs are typically all new within the month, or have yet to be released to the public. These mixes are usually more interesting to me because everything is fresh. Its like exploring down a path you’ve never been before. You may stumble upon something awesome on that path, and now your knowledgeable of it before others at your level. In the end its all opinion, and I respect yours, as well as the first poster 😀

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