Should I plan my set??
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November 25, 2011 at 10:15 pm #10411
U31
MemberAnd why the devil not? I do, &almost everyone i know does.
There are very few i know who will not plan a set for a night and wing it.. But that said the few who do wing it have played some blinding setsNovember 26, 2011 at 12:18 am #10414Paul Hillen
MemberI plan my sets. It doesn’t hurt and it gives ya a guideline on where to drop out/ pick back up. Saying that, feel free to go off it at times and play other things. Think of it as a safety net.
November 26, 2011 at 8:06 am #10435November 26, 2011 at 7:48 pm #10470Spandryl
MemberSweeeet! Thanks Phil, this place is great!
November 27, 2011 at 6:34 am #10490Phil Morse
KeymasterA pleasure ๐
November 27, 2011 at 9:37 am #10492Chris Carruthers
ParticipantI never plan my sets, because when I first played I usually found that any ‘plan’ went out the window after a few tunes. It’s a good idea to know pairs or groups of tunes that work together though, so a sort of ‘mini-plan’ rather than a full one. That way you avoid the other extreme of still thinking ‘what shall I play next’ when there’s 30 seconds left of the current track.
November 29, 2011 at 5:28 pm #10636Cool Cats
MemberU31, post: 10407 wrote: And why the devil not? I do, &almost everyone i know does.
There are very few i know who will not plan a set for a night and wing it.. But that said the few who do wing it have played some blinding setsYep. There’s a fine line between being prepared and planning, and being so anal that you’ve got no room to make tweaks if a song is bombing. The former is just good form – the latter is just a bad idea.
November 30, 2011 at 6:08 pm #10673D-Jam
ParticipantCaru, post: 10488 wrote: I never plan my sets, because when I first played I usually found that any ‘plan’ went out the window after a few tunes. It’s a good idea to know pairs or groups of tunes that work together though, so a sort of ‘mini-plan’ rather than a full one. That way you avoid the other extreme of still thinking ‘what shall I play next’ when there’s 30 seconds left of the current track.
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Pretty much what he said.Two songs into my set and I’ll always get a trixie asking me to play something else. That’s why I just like “winging it”.
Plus you grow into doing things more improvisational. So you grow to having great sounding sets every time you play without much planning needed.
December 1, 2011 at 1:26 pm #10721Pรคr Hessler
ParticipantNope, I never plan my sets! But if I have a gig wich has requested songs ahead I try to get a hold of them.
I play by feeling, ear and eye. I read the dancefloor and feel the songs that should be playd/ should not.
I also have some 10-20 secret weapon tunes that I know by memory.
That is a good thing to have but to be used as little as possible for to have when needed.
If you play your best 10songs in the first hour you have nothing to give in the end or if things does not go the way you planned.I also always have a plan, but that is the same all the time:
“To get as many people as possible on the dancefloor”
But if 95 – 100% is on the floor for more than 30min I try to give some people to the bar…… ๐December 2, 2011 at 8:08 am #10749Spandryl
MemberAlright everybody, gig recap! Went into this gig with 6 years of aspiration and 1 month of actual DJing. I’ve wanted turntables for years but never got around to saving enough money to make the purchase (stupid college loans!!). After seeing NERO perform in October I gave myself the ridiculous task of booking a gig and getting a set together in a month. Done and done! I used Ableton live, which I’ve had for a bit… Gig went very very well. Only one train-wreck and a few missed cues but overall I’m very happy. Yes I planned my set, but people seemed to dig it! Its the first time something like this has happened in my area and hopefully not the last!
December 6, 2011 at 1:16 am #10911indamix
Memberit shouldnt be a rule that says do that or do this
I would plan a set only if i Know VERRY well the 80% of who’s in the crowd as groups , and already knowing their tastes , i can predict what they will want and how to drive them to want this
Try it with ur Best friends and u’l notice
– Or if i’m a superstar and ppl expect a kind of sound of me , wich i’m totally behind this about a 1000 Light years ๐but in a place that i dont know the most of the crowd , i would do a research about the kind of music apreciated by those ppl of that region before i get to play , then i’m make my music selection based on the research and i’l play by reading the crowd
December 6, 2011 at 5:35 am #1002318Rattfink
MemberSpandryl, post: 10745 wrote: Alright everybody, gig recap! Went into this gig with 6 years of aspiration and 1 month of actual DJing. I’ve wanted turntables for years but never got around to saving enough money to make the purchase (stupid college loans!!). After seeing NERO perform in October I gave myself the ridiculous task of booking a gig and getting a set together in a month. Done and done! I used Ableton live, which I’ve had for a bit… Gig went very very well. Only one train-wreck and a few missed cues but overall I’m very happy. Yes I planned my set, but people seemed to dig it! Its the first time something like this has happened in my area and hopefully not the last!
Congrats on playing a good set man! Djing for a crowd is worlds away playing in your room but it’s such a gratifying (and at times frusterating) experience! ๐ I guess if you’re using ableton to DJ you don’t really have much of a choice about whether or not to plan. I couldn’t deal with having my sets “set in stone” on Ableton so I ended up having to move back to DVS. I tried to move from Traktor scratch duo and turntables to ableton for my live sets a few years back but I missed the “off the cuff” vibe that seemed to make djing fun. So I ended up biting the bullet and getting Serato and CDJ-400s. That way I had the ability to adapt to crowds but I can use the bridge to bring ableton into the scene. It gets rather techie but that’s how I like it.
All in all, I agree that 100% planning sets doesn’t really work unless you’re a big name DJ that people are coming to hear their original tracks anyways (think Deadmau5 etc). But that being said, I also think you should have tracks that work together (like 3-6 track “mini sets”) as well as having your tracks organised by genre, feel, key, type of crowd etc. That way you can adapt to crowds with ease no matter who you’re playing for, and you can still put together sick mixes.
At the end of the day, that’s what you’re being paid for: to be able to make people dance, buy drinks, and come back again! And if your set is already planned in and locked, then it’s harder to be able to do that. My way of planning sets (mini sets, playlists based on taste/keys/etc) is epically tedious to put together (especially when you’re still trying to keep your library up to date) but it makes you adaptable to any situation and crowd, and that’s what they pay us the big bucks for!December 6, 2011 at 7:48 am #10934Spandryl
MemberMy set wasn’t ‘set in stone’ in Ableton… I actually had to make a few tweaks as the show went on. The guy I shared the gig with was killing it so I let him play for another 20min, so I had to trim down my set. I don’t know how other people use Ableton but I pull songs one by one out from my folders with their cues all ready to go. So I load it up and use it how I like… I’ve seen some videos of people who have all of their tracks in a single session view, I don’t think I could do that.
Already got my tracks organized based on key, feel, bpm, and ‘intensity’ on iTunes… best thing I ever did!!
December 6, 2011 at 9:33 am #10938Rattfink
MemberWait so you had all the tracks warped, cue’d and ready to go? But they weren’t loaded in Ableton? I’m confused
December 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm #1002327Spandryl
MemberThey are all organized in folders in Ableton… (iTunes is just for general music organization) I have to drag and drop the ‘samples’ file for each one into a track (usually over a previous track when its finished). Does that help?
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