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  • #1029277
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Good questions.

    Here are some more:

    1) Speakers connected to nothing don’t make any noise. Correct? (btw, what is speakers operating “normally”?)

    2) Speakers connected to something else with RCA cable don’t make any noise. Correct?

    3) If you don’t hook up the laptop to the controller, just the speakers to the master out, does the sound exist?

    4) Have you tried various USB-ports?

    5) Have you tried a different RCA cable?

    6) Have you tried a different USB cable?

    Greetinx.

    #1029278
    Nathan Kelly
    Participant

    Thanks for the reply.

    (1) Yes. By operating normally I mean connected to nothing but the computer, just playing music.

    (2) Don’t have anything else to connect to the speakers via an RCA cable.

    (3) I’m not around my setup right now to confirm, but I’m fairly confident there was no noise unless the controller was powered on via USB. Something to double-check though.

    (4) Tried all the ports on my laptop, tried speakers through USB and the headphone output, even tried USB port on a different computer and the noise was there.

    (5) Don’t have another RCA cable, but the noise was present in the headphone output even when not connected to speakers (just to laptop via USB).

    (6) Tried the controller USB for the speaker and the speaker USB for the controller, no difference.

    When I brought the Denon in and they connected to a completely different setup, the noise was still there in the headphones. There’s no way the speakers could be “ruining” the controllers, is there? Creating some sort of fault that causes the noise even if the controller is moved to a different setup?

    #2002983
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Ok, I got a bit lost when you talked about “USB to speaker”. Just took a look at the speakers and they can indeed be hooked up by USB. Not sure how having both speakers and controller hooked up by USB AND the controller connected to the speakers via RCA would react. Seems like a bit of an unhealthy triangle. But … that does not explain why you hear the same stuff going into the shop.

    Did you try with other headphones in the shop, or with your own?

    Just trying to help pinpoint potential problem areas here.

    I don’t see how whatever it is that is wrong can mess up your controller that bad that it will have permanent problems after hooking it up even once. What is also strange is that with the DDJ you don’t seem to have the headphone problems anymore.

    Have you tried all the things with the DDJ as well?

    Here’s what I would try to do – in this order:
    1) Unhook everything from your speakers (USB and RCA)
    2) Unhook everything from the DDJ
    3) Use (or get one) one of those USB power outlet adapter thingies (like the ones you use in your car, but for mains). Something like this: https://ffshoppen.s3.amazonaws.com/image/643/normal/8-usb-adapter-220v.jpg
    4) Attach your headphones to the DDJ
    5) Power the DDJ with it’s USB cable attached to the outlet adapter
    6) Check for strange sounds in your headphones
    7) Hook up your speakers to the controller with the RCA (outputs controller to input speakers obviously). Do NOT reconnect the speakers with USB to the laptop
    8) Check for odd sounds in your headphones and for odd sounds in your speakers (play around with master volumes if necessary)
    9) Unhook the USB cable from the adapter and hook up to the laptop
    10) Check for odd sounds in your headphones and speakers

    Depending on when the noise starts to appear, you should be able to deduce what the problem area is.

    Greetinx.

    #2002989
    Nathan Kelly
    Participant

    Sorry, let me clear some things up about the speakers:

    The speakers can be connected to a laptop by USB or 3.5mm audio jack. The speakers also have RCA input and output ports. I connected the MC2000 to the RCA input of the speakers and to the laptop via USB. Whether or not I connected the speakers to the laptop via USB or the headphone jack, the noise was the same. Is there some other way I should have connected it? Do I not have to connect the controller to the speakers if it’s connected to the laptop?

    And yes, the shop had a completely different setup with their own headphones. The noise on the MC2000 remained.

    I haven’t run through all the same procedures for the SB, but I definitely will. I just connected to the computer via USB, and the speakers via RCA. The speakers were connected to the computer via USB.

    I will run through your troubleshooting guide later tonight. Thanks again for all your help!

    #2003019
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hi,

    Yeah, the MC2000 sounds like it might just have been shot. The odd thing is that you have not the same, but similar problems with the DDJ. The way you hooked up the MC2000 seems correct, so…

    The one thing that I don’t like is the “loop” that exists by having the speakers hooked up to two sources at once. That is why I made a point of saying that in the troubleshooting to have the speakers connected ONLY to the controller by RCA and nothing else to the speakers (not by USB and not by headphone jack).

    Let us know what troubleshooting brings.

    Greetinx.

    #2003149
    Nathan Kelly
    Participant

    I didn’t have time to fully run through the tests you mentioned, but I just wanted to ask about the wiring.

    You mention the “loop” created with the speakers having two sources. Here’s what I’ve been doing so far:

    Controller > Laptop (USB)
    Laptop > Speakers (USB or 3.5mm jack)
    Controller > Speakers (RCA)

    I just assumed the speakers would need to be connected to the laptop at all times. But if they’re getting input from the RCA out from my controller, then they don’t need to be connected to the laptop? So it would look like:

    Controller > Laptop (USB)
    Controller > Speakers (RCA)

    Was I just doing it wrong with my first wiring setup? If that’s the case, is that the likely cause the noise? And my big fear: would that cause any damage to the controller (or the speakers for that matter)?

    #2003157
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey,

    Your assumption was wrong :-). The speakers only need to be connected to the controller by RCA.

    I have a tendency to say that this COULD be the cause (but following the troubleshooting run through that would manifest itself), BUT … it doesn’t explain why the MC2000 acted up. It is possible that you are indeed having the bad luck that you got a DOA controller and that the problems you have now are because of the “loop” with the speakers.

    Personally I don’t think hooking it up like this can cause permanent damage to the controller.

    Greetinx.

    #2003158
    Nathan Kelly
    Participant

    Sigh. Well that’s embarrassing.

    I’ll hook up the SB the proper way and see if that does the trick. Not sure why the master gain knob wouldn’t work in the software though.

    Yeah, I guess the MC2000 must have been faulty if there was still noise on their system. I was just freaking out a bit because I’ll be heading back to the store to hopefully do an exchange for a different MC2000 (which I prefer to the SB). I wanted to make sure I wasn’t frying perfectly functional controllers as a result of my stupidity.

    This bears repeating: Huge thanks for your help with this! Great support on these forums. Hopefully now I can get past this roadblock and actually, you know, learn DJing. 🙂

    #2003159
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    That would be an excellent next step indeed!

    #2184981
    Smooth Transition
    Participant

    Hello,

    Denon MC2000 is good controller as Digitaldjtips reviewed and I still love it.

    However,I had a same noise issue as well. (In my case,noise came through only my headphones) That noise is very annoying and it makes me headache. And also I’m slightly not comfortable with 16-bit 48kHz sound.

    Fortunately,I have got a 24-bit external audio interface. So I’m using this external soundcard for audio output and Denon MC2000 for just controlling Traktor. It works good to me.

    #2185061
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    You are not comfortable with CD-quality sound? What source(s) do you use that is better than CD-quality?

    #2185221
    bob6397
    Participant

    Actually it’s even higher than CD quality.. CD’s run at 16bit, 44.1kHz…

    I challenge you to hear the difference over a high-quality sound system between one interface running at 24 bit 96kHz and the same interface running at 16 bit 44.1kHz..

    I can hear the difference on my monitors but only if I listen for it… Any tracks you download of iTunes etc are 16 bit 44.1kHz anyway 🙂

    #2185261
    Smooth Transition
    Participant

    Hello,

    Yes. You are right. And I love CD quality sound.

    However,when I compare Denon MC2000’s 16-bit 48kHz sound and external 24-bit 44.1kHz. To me,I felt 24-bit is better. Maybe my audio settings are wrong or my ears are too sensitive.

    By the way,Denon MC2000’s default setting is 48kHz which is fixed value. It slightly push my CPU.

    Please excuse my poor English.

    cheers!

    #2185971
    bob6397
    Participant

    Well fair enough – but I suspect that you are either hearing a placebo-effect type effect on you or the difference in quality between the DAC chip in the denon and the one in your external soundcard..

    And as to extra strain on your cpu? It should be neglible. I run at 24bit 96kHz no problem without even straining anything on my 4 year old windows machine.. 🙂

    bob6397

    #2186401
    Smooth Transition
    Participant

    Thank you for the tips bob6937!

    I’m from the analog world and trying to catch up to digital world. I might be hearing a placebo-effect.

    Denon’s audio interface was straining my Mac a little bit. Actually,I deleted latest TSI files yesterday as Native Instruments knowledge base mentioned. It’s gone. But,I’m still hearing noise from headphones. And for the time being,I decided to use my external audio interface.

    Thank you!

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