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  • #1027905
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey Ollie,

    First of all, welcome to the forums. I am sure you will find plenty of interesting information here and over on the blog. Googling stuff like Midi , DVS and such should get you a long way towards answers. A good place to start is some of the beginners manuals over at the blog as they explain many of these things.

    Next point. I love ambition as much as the next guy, but quite frankly, unless you are a natural talent (possible of course), it’s gonna take more than 2 months of practice to be able and hit the club circuit. For one, the competition for a slot in a club is pretty fierce and (most of) these guys have been at it longer than you and have a headstart because they are already (used to) playing out in front of an audience.

    Another reason is that DJ-ing is not about mastering certain techniques, but about feeling the crowd, music selection and creating and steering an atmosphere. The only place to learn that is by playing out. In order to play out you need to have a good enough base knowledge of a decent music collection. A collection that you need to have meticulously prepared with correct beatgrid, drop points, cue points, loops and such.

    You will have set up several playlists so you can easily find stuff in an extended collection.

    What you don’t want to do is go into a club having practiced a fixed set of tracks for two months with the intention of playing that in the exact order you practiced. What if after the first few tracks everyone looks at you like you are crazy (trust me, it happens :-))? Will you be comfortable changing directions (perhaps even radically so) and making it look like it was part of the original plan all along?

    It’s more likely that your first steps into playing out will be in living rooms and other house parties.

    Not trying to scare you here, but hoping to give you a realistic view of what you are up to.

    Many on here have said that DJ-ing is about following your passion for music. And I agree. So, go ahead, get some gear and start enjoying yourself.

    As for getting the setup you mentioned. I personally would never get NXS stuff in combination with an 850 mixer (might as well spend a bit more and get a 900NXS mixer), but that is just one man’s opinion.

    90% of the clubs you will find will not have any Nexus gear yet, not ALL of them (especially smaller venues and bars) will have actual Pioneer gear (you’ll find anything from DAP to Denon and from American DJ and Behringer to Numark and Gemini to name a few) and even if they have Pioneer it can be just about any model as old as 10 yrs (which pretty much means it’s just a CD-player with very few extra’s. Is there a message in there? Yes, namely that there is no point in getting the (almost) top in professional DJ-gear at ridiculous costs, if you know that over 80% of the places you’ll start to play out in will have lesser quality/features gear.

    Then you have to ask yourself: where will clubs be in 5 years. Still stuck on CDJs, or will all the serious venues slowly but surely start making room for Digital DJ’s. Looking at the DDJ-SZ just released by Pioneer gives you a little peek into the future Pioneer might be headed in.

    Second question is, do you want to be a digital DJ or a CDJ DJ? In the first case you are better off getting a decent controller. Which will cost you a fraction of a CDJ-set (that you can always move to once you decided that DJ-ing is indeed the thing for you, have discovered what kind of DJ-ing works for you, what your workflow will look like and what the prospects are of playing out and where).

    Just my two cents of course.

    Greetinx.

    #1027908
    Ollie
    Participant

    Cheers man, really value your feedback. Just a couple of questions. Why would you not recomend 2 900NXS CDJs and a DJM850? With your point about buying a controller and then a CDJ set up, the thing with that is, if it all does work out I will eventually look to purchase an expensive set up, so why not do it immediately? I’ll save the cost of the controller if I do, right? I really want to emphasize that I want to end up DJing in clubs and bars, and buying a controller will not prepare me for that, or so I’ve heard. So what are your thoughts on that? Believe me, the hefty price tag is daunting, but if what I’ve heard about spending big the first time round is best, then isn’t that what I should do?

    Thanks

    #1027909
    Matt Reavley
    Participant

    I personally wouldnt spend that much on a first set-up. When I started as a mobile dj, i spent nowhere near that amount of money and I purchased cd players, mixer lighting etc. Chuck raised some very good points. What if you decide a few months down the line that you actually dont want to do it? That is a hell of alot of money to spend. Personally if cdj’s are what you want i would look for a 2nd hand set of 800’s or 1000’s and try them out. Most places ive been to still use 1000’s. Again just my personal opinions

    #1027911
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Quite frankly, if you can DJ (learned on whatever gear) and you have a club gig coming up, simple rent a CDJ/DJM set for a few days (during the week you can talk the rental company into getting you a great deal as this stuff is usually sitting in the warehouse collecting dust durint weekdays). And if you know your DJ-ing, two or three sets of playing with that setup should be more than enough to get you going in a club.

    It’s not rocket science after all. At the end of the day you still have to pick the right tunes, which is about 80% of the job and has nothing to do with the kit. Then you have to be able to do decent, straight beatmatched transitions. Those involve pitchfaders and jogwheels and trust me when I say they work the same on CDJs as they do on controller. Finally you might want to toss in some FX. This is done pretty good on the DJM950/850 (by the way I, my advice for the 950 had to do with it being Nexus as well, with link functionality and a few other things the 850 doesn’t have, but still the 850 is an ok mixer too).

    So, the main skill to learn (how to move the crowd with your music choice) has nothing to do with whatever gear.  IF (and it’s a big if) you get to play in clubs really early on in your career, chances are big that they won’t be then nr. 1 places and thus probably have much simpler gear. Finally, finding out what DJ-ing is really about and whether or not you are gonna stick with it … different story.

    Hope all of this helps. Greetinx.

    #1027971
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    Just put some extra pointers, that the crowd doesn’t really care what gears you use to DJ ing anyway,

    #1028603
    Isaiah Furrow
    Participant

    I no longer want a DJM/CDJs … I will still keep an analog mixer or 2 around, and would love an SRT if it wasn’t so spendy…. a 2 ch. Pioneer mixer, for Serato… like the Pio/Serato version of the Z2 would be cool.  I would buy an SZ for the price of about one Nexus player or the SRT… and a nice pair of laptops…. and… and…. LOL    If you are serious, want some serious kit to start, and aren’t just totally confused by the pricing of Pioneer gear, then by all means, it’s what YOU want and what YOU like to use that counts.   Just for perspective, I am upgrading due to my current controller being just not quite “pro” enough.   I was looking at the SR, but am likely pre-ordering the Reloop TM8 instead.   I would think that these are “pro” enough to get you through at least a couple years of learning and gigs.   If you really want top notch stuff, the high end gear from N.I., Pioneer, Denon, Reloop, and others all deserves a good look.  I would definitely spend a good number of hours researching what you want to do and how, what software you want to use, and then make a short list of controllers from that …. then compare and compare and sleep on it….  I have been researching for a good long while and am just now comfortable with my decisions, or almost…LOL  But I wouldn’t take that kind of purchase lightly, for me $3000 is a LOT of money, roughly the cost of the most expensive car I’ve ever purchased.  I would look into what each setup would let you do, just one example, FEW of the CDJs let you do HOT CUES from my understanding.  I loved it when I first made a loop in Serato Intro and realized I could adjust both in and out points very easily.   I love the navigation on Serato as opposed to a small screen and lists from a USB.   There are some differences in these 2 types of setups, and I personally would  look into it very hard before buying a DJM/CDJ setup, aside from nice used CDJs at a very good price, and a DJM-250(still want one of these…LOL)   Just my $.02, and it’s really only worth $.01, I’m a NOOB….

    #1028697
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Well I DJed in front of 3000 people with my TM4, so I would suspect it is pro enough…

    #1028748
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    I’ve DJ-ed for about 200 very rich Iraqi kids at the Baghdad Hunting Club, with a 4-input channel amp with rotary dials, two (different, non-direct drive) domestic turntables with regular (non-DJ) cartridges/needles and a totally shabby microphone. I got paid a bundle, in official exchange rate 1500 USD for one night, 1 1/2 hour of effectively playing time, since there was an arabic band playing as well.

    Very happy customers. The point to be made here, is that it’s not the gear that makes the professional “professional”. A true professional will be able to do even more with better (more professional) gear than without, but just because your gear is considered “professional” doesn’t make you a professional in your own right.

    Personally I stuck quite some time in deciding on the right controller for ME a few years back. I had a clear set of demands and wishes (like it needed to be a stand-alone mixer, so out went the Traktor S4) and I compared stuff. I held off the decision for at least two/three months because I couldn’t find the right controller. Then I discovered the MC6000 from Denon and it ticked just about all my boxes (just a few minor wishes missing) and I got that. Used it for several years now, strong workhorse built like a tank. Doesn’t have much of today’s bells and whistles like needle drop, performance pads and such, but just as functional for me as it was day one. Never ever did the question “is it/does it look professional?” enter into the equation. It’s professional to me in that it does what I need it to do and I make money using it to DJ. I’ve had guys come up to me at some events, looking at the gear going “oh, not Pioneer” or “mmm, controller eh?” and “oh, you use a laptop?”. But that is their problem, not mine.

     

    Bottom line here, get what works for you and don’t worry about the rest of the world’s opinion.

    Greetinx.

    #1028769
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I could not agree more with Chuck.

    I mean I have seen Armin van Buuren play a set on this toy Philips controller boombox and it was still awesome.

    Most pro DJs I know that are not endorsed move away from CDJs, simply to expensive for what they offer. Most have actually quite simple controllers for practice and to setup their sets and an advanced controller setup for playing out, while some scratch junkies still use DVS.

    In the end it is all tools and it is about passion and love for music that decides about success.

    I have seen young DJs dressed like Neo with a full Nexus setup fail miserably in front of an easy party crowd and I have seen kids with a mixtrack pro trying out for a spot in my friends bar who rocked the house so nobody could keep sitting down…

    #1028773
    Shaun Pearcey
    Participant

    @Ollie

    Get a controller mate, by experience if you buy one suited to you and your software preferences and master how to DJ on controllers then the switch to CDJ’s will make it worth buying one to start out on.Its not about the gear but the way you use it, any pro could use an ipod into a speaker and play a playlist throughout the night, but if the right tunes are played on the playlist people will dance!

    If i was you, and trust me when I started out I was thinking the same thing.. GET A CONTROLLER FIRST.. then move onto a second hand pair of CDJ’s when you start making money from the hobby or it may just become an expensive hobby.. Never go out first and purchase the best gear to start on as if you get disinterested (not saying you will BUT) that equipment will sit there and be sold on for less than you purchased it for.. Just have a good hard look through this forum and the web and do your reviews on controllers..

    Hope this was of any help!

    DJ Shaun Pearcey

    #1028813
    Will Massa
    Participant

    Don’t go for CDJ-900 nexus. way too much for a first time setup.

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