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  • #1027388
    Marco Solo
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    Count the bars from the first beat to the point you want to drop it in and from the other track the bars from the end back through the outro. Ellaskins has lots of info on these things on his youtube channel.

    #1027389
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Nope, not a whole lot you can do. You just hit one of the quirks associated with Digital DJ-ing.

    See, in the old days, carrying more than 2 crates of vinyl was out of the question. Toooooo heavy.

    So, you’d have a relatively limited amount of music and since you used it for a long time, after a while you did indeed know where the breaks were in each song (waveform in your mind if you like).

    Same goes for CD’s, only slightly easier to take with you than vinyl, but still not the thousands and thousands of tracks you can take on a USB stick or external HD.

    Now, with essentially no limit to the amount of tracks you can take with you, there is no way in h*ll you can know each song intimately.

    Not much you can do but make cue-cards (the actual physical small cardboard ones) for a track and just write down the approximate time you would normally drop the tune in. Stick that in your CD cover so it’s easy to read.

    Alternatively, just skip-listen to the track you want to play next. Note the time of the point you want to mix into and remember it (or write it down on a small notepad).

    Frankly it’s not like you need to memorize 10-15 points in a track. Typically you’ll want to mix into or out of a select number of points.

    I am very curious if someone has come up with a better plan. As I said, I knew my entire collection inside out (and it was WAY more than 15 tracks I can tell you) when I still carried vinyl/CDs, so I never had the need for such a solution.

    Nowadays if they don’t have USB-capable CDJ’s that I can hook up to my laptop, I’ll just bring my controller :-).

    Greetinx.

    #1027390
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Nope, not a whole lot you can do. You just hit one of the quirks associated with Digital DJ-ing.

    See, in the old days, carrying more than 2 crates of vinyl was out of the question. Toooooo heavy.

    So, you’d have a relatively limited amount of music and since you used it for a long time, after a while you did indeed know where the breaks were in each song (waveform in your mind if you like).

    Same goes for CD’s, only slightly easier to take with you than vinyl, but still not the thousands and thousands of tracks you can take on a USB stick or external HD.

    Now, with essentially no limit to the amount of tracks you can take with you, there is no way in h*ll you can know each song intimately.

    Not much you can do but make cue-cards (the actual physical small cardboard ones) for a track and just write down the approximate time you would normally drop the tune in. Stick that in your CD cover so it’s easy to read.

    Alternatively, just skip-listen to the track you want to play next. Note the time of the point you want to mix into and remember it (or write it down on a small notepad).

    Frankly it’s not like you need to memorize 10-15 points in a track. Typically you’ll want to mix into or out of a select number of points.

    I am very curious if someone has come up with a better plan. As I said, I knew my entire collection inside out (and it was WAY more than 15 tracks I can tell you) when I still carried vinyl/CDs, so I never had the need for such a solution.

    Nowadays if they don’t have USB-capable CDJ’s that I can hook up to my laptop, I’ll just bring my controller :-).

    Greetinx.

    #1027405
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    The way of *cough EDM structured today ish more easier, it usually consist 2 parts, a full beats and a floating/breaks, Usually goes like this Full Beats1 (Intro) –> floating/breaks1 –> Full beats2 –> floating/breaks2 —> Full beats3

    So what i do is after the floating/breaks2, when the build up transition into the Full beats3, i started counting from the first beat of the Full beats3, 1…2….3….4….8….1 then at 1 I play the first beat of my upcoming songB and start counting 1 full bar again and i slowly raised my fader of songB and start mixing it up with songA , works wonder

    #1027543
    Marco Solo
    Participant

    Here’s a video where you can see what I’m talking about. Ellaskins has a waveform, but nevertheless counts the bars so the mixing point is lined up perfectly.

    #1027596
    Tony Allen
    Participant

    Thanks for all of your help guys, I think my biggest problem is that I’ve never really been one for preparation, I have always played off the cuff sets knowing where I can drop in new tracks as I’m pretty good with reading waveforms (Who isn’t?)

    I think the best option when not being able to see what I’m doing 100% on the night is to prepare my set a few days before hand and write down cue points as time remaining on the current track, keeping this in my CD case on the night.

    Any other suggestions would be awesome though as you can never know too much 🙂

    #1027877
    Daniel Waddicor
    Participant

    You need to learn to count your music man, every dj, digital or not should be doing this

    #1027900
    DJ Vintage
    Moderator

    Hey Tony,

    Preparation is the key though. DJ-ing is a serious business. And “reading” waveforms is a VERY poor substitute to knowing what you are doing. Now, if it works for you in the privacy of your home or at parties where you play with your own gear, and that is the extend of your ambition, by all means keep doing that.

    So, if playing out on different gear is in your future more often, it might just be the right time to take the next step.

    On a personal note, I look at waveforms sometimes when I have a new track (or an old one I have forgotten about LOL). And yes, I can see where the quiet and louder bits and pieces are. And when I know the track, I will know what transition in the track heralds what next bit. But, when I next track, I can do that by fast forwarding (needle dropping) through the track, cueing it up and be ready to go without needing a single waveform. It’s how it was done til relatively recently.

    Greetinx and good luck with your waveform-less endeavour!

    #1028025
    Silvercue Master
    Participant

    do it the old fashioned way.. 🙂

    #1028028
    Silvercue Master
    Participant

    …not liking that video much either!

    #2005433
    dt17
    Participant

    What about tracks which don’t follow a certain structure? A lot of older trance tracks don’t fit with the typical 4×4 (8 phrases) intro/outro mixing so it’s difficult to know when to mix sometimes.

    Hope that makes sense?

    #2005440
    Alex Moschopoulos
    Participant

    If you match beats with waveforms, then you’ll need to learn to match by ear.

    If you’re more thinking of timing, many will tap on the cue (setting it on the first beat) repeatedly leading up to the point (crossfader all the way on the playing song) and then hit play at that moment (sliding the fader to the middle).

    #2005774
    Weaver
    Participant

    Prepping a set, like you mentioned, is pretty much the long and short of it 🙂

    Digital DJing is great for house parties where you’re taking requests!

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