New to DJing – advice required
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January 27, 2014 at 1:33 pm #1027170
Marco Solo
ParticipantHave a look at the 2014 buyers guide on this site first. There is a lot of info in there. Do some research first as it is impossible for us to say which controller is best for you without you establishing your wishes in detail first.
January 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm #1027189TristanShout
ParticipantOk, sorry, I’m pretty clueless about this kind of thing so am quite out of my depth with any discussions along these lines. My only previous experience of DJing was doing some basic stuff with CDs a couple of times about 10 years ago. I don’t really have any wishes other than what I’ve said I wanted to do in my first post really. I don’t think I’m likely to have much else that I want out of a DJ controller, though I guess it’d be fun to have other features to mess around with to get a feel for if I’d ever want to do anything more advanced.
The Denon MC2000 sounds great, but I’m not sure if I’d be wasting my money going for that or not. The Mixtrack Pro 2 is another that I’d consider, and is definitely more affordable. I imagine anything more advanced than this would just be daunting, based on my capabilities at this stage. I’m wary of going for something too cheap that just seems like a toy, but if it’d do the basics well then I’d be happy to take the advise of somebody pushing me in that direction.
Regarding software, it appears that if I ever wanted to upgrade to a full, paid for version then Traktor and Serato are way more affordable than VDJ, so I’d find it much easier to justify shelling out to upgrade to those. The two controllers I’ve looked at (MC2000 and MP2) both appear to run best with Serato, and from what I’ve read about it that sounds like it wouldn’t give me any problems as such.
Sorry, I’m waffling about something I know very little about.
January 27, 2014 at 3:29 pm #1027192DJ Vintage
ModeratorBoth controllers are good choices. And Serato seems to be making lot’s of headway recently. Apparently Serato was the buzz word at this year’s NAMM show.
I can vouch for the build quality of Denon gear (any of it is rock solid), the jogs are the same as in the MC-3000 and 6000.
At the end of the day what matters is that you feel comfortable with your choice. We can’t make it for you.
Greetinx.
January 27, 2014 at 3:56 pm #1027196Marco Solo
ParticipantI own a mixtrack pro 2 and have used it live, both in a local bar and at parties at people’s homes. I must admit that this is also my first controller although I have played around with mixers connected via timecode etc.
The pro 2 certainly doesn’t feel like a toy and is pretty well built. The volume of the soundcard is a bit on the low side, but nothing serious. Probably because it uses usb power only. I solely connect it to amps anyway. It has no vu meters (something I mapped myself crudely in Traktor) or gain and filter knobs, which is something I miss. The pads are awesome in versatility and usability and the jogwheels are touch sensitive and work excellent.
The main issue I have with the pro 2 is the supplied software. I cannot see how this thing was created for serato at all. For instance, the sample decks on both sides control the same four loops out of the six slots. It just makes no sense whatsoever. And you can forget about mapping it yourself, it’s locked. I don’t understand serato’s appeal, apart from the beatgrid and video features, which cross dj does as well for less money. Oh and cross is absolutely mappable.
January 27, 2014 at 4:59 pm #1027209TristanShout
ParticipantMarco, it’s interesting that you should mention Cross. I’ve just looked and the full version is really cheap, and from what I’ve just read it appears that the LE version is much closer to the paid for version than is the case with it’s competitors.
I’m wondering if I should consider the Gemini Firstmix Pro, if I were to go down the Cross route? I got the impression it was a bit cheap and nasty, but perhaps for the level I’m at it might be wise to start off with something like that?
Or another I’ve seen that I’m unsure whether to consider or not is the Hercules DJ Console RMX2…
Thanks very much for the replies so far, by the way. Much appreciated
January 27, 2014 at 5:17 pm #1027213Marco Solo
ParticipantThe Gemini and the Hercules both seem a bit small to me, with buttons very close to each other. The Hercules also seems too expensive for what you get in functionality to me. At that price point I’d rather go for a mixtrack pro 2 or a reloop mixage mk2.
January 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm #1027217Caribyo
ParticipantHi Tristan,
I am also a complete noob to DJing and I had to answer the same question that you have during the last days for me. I did a lot of research which I would also advise you to do
My bottom 3 of controller s was.
1. the Mixvibes U-Mix Controll Pro 2: It comes with cross DJ Full version (thats 50 bucks u safe) is very compact but still offers a lot of features. I didnt take it because it had no XLR outs, which can be needed at some more professional occasions. Beside that it seems to be a very good controller. It costs about 199€ (dont know where you are from) and also received a very good rating on this site.
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2. Gemini G2V: Pretty new Controller with performance pads which you usually only find on much more expensive controllers. It is meant to be used with Virtual DJ. And seems to be ready for semi professional usage.
3. American audio VMS2: A standalone mixer (which is unique at this price) with XLR for microphone and also XLR-out. Also receives very good ratings in many reviews and it is also meant to be used with VDJ but there are also maps for Traktor and Cross DJ. I finally bought this one as I got it for the price of 169€ and I love the stand alone mixer capabilities and the XLRs.
I would also like to mention, that Virtual DJ is pretty expensive, but as far as I know you buy a lifetime license, so you will never have to pay for any upgrades again.
Hope you find sth. that suits your needs.
January 28, 2014 at 9:49 am #1027287Terry_42
KeymasterHonestly those 3 are some of the worst choices for beginners. They are limited software wise, they have some features that make them good marketing wise, but do not cater to other workflows.
As a newbie you do not know your workflow yet and you should get a most basic controller you can get away with.
The usual suspects are Mixtrack pro I and II, Pioneer DDJ-SB, Denon MC2000
January 28, 2014 at 10:18 am #1027290Caribyo
ParticipantMhhh
I can´t see right now why those controllers should have troubles with softwares?Is their mapping not working well or do they even suck with their own software?
Just wanna understand your intentions for this opinion?
You might be right and thats why I mentioned I am new to DJing, so it is just my knowledge and my opinion so far. I just wonder a bit as I also saw these controllers recommended to beginners in professional DJ reviews quite often.
January 28, 2014 at 11:32 am #1027299Terry_42
KeymasterWell I am coming from 20+ years of DJing and I know that my workflow is still evolving. Now looking back when I began going digital from CDJs and record decks, I had loads of trouble with controllers limiting me in doing things the way I want to.
Now there are 2 large paradigms out there for controllers:
1 is the controller that specifically caters to one workflow and one software package (even though it might support others)
2 is the controller that is hugely build to do everything as open as possible but comes with a steeper learning curve.
Now there are 2 extreme examples for this, the most closed controllers are the NI controller who cater to Traktor specifically and the most open one being the Vestax VCI-400 which is overwhelming even for some Pros.
Now in my opinion what a newbie needs is even different, because you do not know your workflow yet. Now why the controllers on your list make the list is, because they are solid and cheap. But in my opinion they are limited in the options of how to work with them and how to interact making it possible to develop what is commonly known as “the basics” for DJing. The controllers I mentioned surely sometimes have less features than those you listed, but are very open to a basic workflow plus giving you the freedom to accomplish the basics in different ways. So you can develop your own style and workflows.
This in the end IMHO makes you more creative as a DJ, when you have more freedom.
Now the controllers you mentioned are by far not bad controllers and they will work if the workflow they offer is for you, but from your writing I think you are not yet there to make that decision and I recommend not to limit your decision making.
But by all means if you like them, buy one, they will work and let you DJ as a newbie.
January 28, 2014 at 11:51 am #1027301Caribyo
ParticipantThank you very much for that explanation Terry. Now I understand your point much better. To be honest I didnt take a look on it from that side. My focus whas to get as much value and future potential as possible for my money. I already ordered the VMS2, which doesnt mean I will keep it, but if I like its performance I will do. Sure all this is very new to me and I might not see some of the tricky points in it.
Thats why I asked for an explanation because I couldnt get you on this one first.January 29, 2014 at 10:01 am #1027445Klaus Mogensen
ParticipantI aggree with Terry. Mixtrack pro I and II, Pioneer DDJ-SB and Denon MC2000 are all great choices, that won’t let you down
Regarding the software. VDJ works with everything you can imagine, but it is by far the most expensive one for the pro version. So unless you get a controller with VDJ LE, I would probably go with Serato. You get a LE version in the box, and the upgrade to a full version is not to expensive. Traktor seems to be closing in on themselves lately, packing hardware and software together, so unless you fall in love with one of Traktor specific controllers, I wouldn’t choose Traktor
Good luck
Klaus MogensenJanuary 29, 2014 at 1:42 pm #1027464DJ Vintage
ModeratorKlaus, you are breaking my heart! Still with the the “Big Three” … I feel like the proverbial guy in the desert. Nobody seems to listen to me … sniff.
But seriously, today you can’t look at software and not take Cross (DJ) into account. Not saying it’s the best or better than or anything, but in features, price point, video integration, implementation and controller/midi mapping/platform support it holds it’s own and therefor should be considered to give yourself the best possible choices to pick from.
Greetinx.
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