Using BPMs to help beatmatching?
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January 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm #1026222
Xavier D
ParticipantSometimes when I stand next to djs I watch what they are doing and I’m sure I’ve seen a few djs doing this. I wouldn’t since I know every track I play but if you feel better with this I think it is definitely not a problem
January 21, 2014 at 3:19 am #1026249Lamid45G
ParticipantTo make things even easier is to re do all your Playlist tracks to one bpm, for ex. to 130 bpm, that way you dont even have to worry if the CDJ do not displayed bpm, set that pitch control at +0 and you ready to go
January 21, 2014 at 8:13 am #1026280DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey Ben,
It’s the time-honored vinyl way. My old vinyl records all had stickers on them with the BPM. Turntables had no displays so …
Be aware that if you take two tracks both labelled 130 (as Rizki suggests), you most likely will NOT have a smooth mix. A bpm spread of one is too wide a gap to assume that they will be matched. So you will always have to use your ears and do some fine-tuning.
On the other hand, the number of CJDs WITHOUT BPM analyse and readout I run into these days is so low, I don’t think I would bother anymore. I’d toss my controller/laptop in the car and if the gear at a venue is THAT limited, I would just flop down my controller somewhere and use that.
Greetinx.
January 21, 2014 at 9:29 am #1026291Terry_42
KeymasterLOL is all I can say honestly.
LEARN TO BEATMATCH WITH YOUR EARS IT IS ESSENTIAL EVEN WITH SOFTWARE AND BEATGRIDS!
Now get over it and practice.
January 21, 2014 at 9:31 am #1026293benjturner
ParticipantI see, obviously I’d have to do some fine tuning regardless but I was just thinking that if say I had a 125 track and a 127 track I’d know I need to bring the track down slightly – it just gives me a more accurate ball park to work with if you know what I mean?
January 21, 2014 at 3:15 pm #1026316DJ Vintage
ModeratorHey Ben,
Apart from Terry being right about being able to beatmix by ear (and really, once you have the concept, it’s not all that hard, just takes a lot of practice), let me explain a little something here.
The reason we used to label our records in the old days (vinyl), is because it was so much more important to not have too big gaps between bpm.
We are very spoiled these days. Everything is key-locked, meaning you can speed a track up by 6% (at 130bpm that’s a whopping 8 bpm!) and it will still sound exactly the same, just faster. Vinyl did not have that luxury. Speed (bpm) change equals key change. So, speeding up more than 1 – 1/2 % (there were some daredevils who’d do more, but I had more of a gentle touch), would mean the key change would become audible too. Big bpm swings were not something you did, unless you chose another transition method.
Nowadays I can effectively pick two tracks from any danceable collection, toss them in the players and make them work together (technically! Not gonna say a 120 bpm track will still sound peachy when played at 140).
Even so, I still limit the bpm jumps I do, but it’s a lot easier with all the fx, key lock and other stuff possible on software these days. So, I’ll still select tracks within a say +/- 3% span. Therefor it is handy to have some way of telling what track has what bpm. Purely for track selection purposes, NOT to make beatmatching easier.
For that, you still have to do the work and training. And just to warm you, half an hour twice a week is not gonna make you good at it (or even sufficient) in a week!
Best is to practice daily (better way to accumulate “muscle memory”) every day, than 2 sessions of 1 1/2 hour a week.
Good luck and greetinx.
January 21, 2014 at 5:47 pm #1026333mauritsrotte@gmail.com
ParticipantI wouldn’t worry about things being “not done” I mean there are DJ’s who find that anything else then vinyl is “not done”. If it helps you to add the BPM to track information just do it I would say.
I think you have to see it as what it is. Something to help you beatmatch. You still have to beatmatch manually. Especially on cdj’s without a BPM read out. So you still have to learn that. Keep practising and eventually you will reach a point that you don’t need to know the BPM of the track to beatmatch. But if that is the case knowing the BPM can still be handy for the arguments Vintage pointed out. Also tracks with the same BPM usually have similar energy flow ( giving the fact you stay in the same genre somewhat)
I don’t like to use a keylock / master tempo and I don’t like to pitch a track to far up or ( and especially) to far down. So I also like to know the BPM tempo of the tracks I am playing
January 22, 2014 at 2:12 am #1026371Lamid45G
ParticipantMy suggestion to re-record all the tracks from your Set-playlist to 130 bpm is if all the tracks in your set original bpm resides between 128 – 130 bpm, so yeah if you you have like one or two tracks in 124 bpm, I wouldnt re-recorded them to 130 bpm, as Chuck already pointed out to keep it on +/- 3% radius
January 22, 2014 at 9:34 am #1026415Terry_42
KeymasterAlso when beatmatching you do not need to know which track is which, to know they are within +/- 3% is enough. You simply take the song you want to bring in make it considerably slower (I do at least 10%) and then nudge the pitchfader until they match… it is not rocket science.
January 22, 2014 at 12:37 pm #1026464DJ Vintage
ModeratorHence, we may conclude, adding BPM information to your tracks in one way or another is legit and helpful in selecting tracks.
As a tool for simplifying beatmatching it is a) no substitute for (learning) manual beatmatching and b) pretty useless.
Hope this helps getting you on your way. Whatever you do, keep the faith!
Greetinx.
p.s. we really ARE nice people here!
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January 22, 2014 at 9:23 pm #1026550Alex Moschopoulos
ParticipantBPM readouts are nice to get closer…but I wouldn’t fully trust them.
You want to go manual then it’ll just take practice.
January 22, 2014 at 11:58 pm #1026571benjturner
ParticipantKkk cool, I’ll just learn manually haha, thanks for the help
January 23, 2014 at 9:46 am #1026603DJ Vintage
ModeratorThanks for opening the topic and giving us all a chance to shower you with our endless wisdom on all matters DJ.
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February 20, 2014 at 3:34 am #2005436dt17
ParticipantI’ve seen a lot of top DJ’s who have shared some of their music for free on Soundcloud for example, naming the track as something like;
“4A – 140 – artist name/song title”February 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm #2005780Weaver
ParticipantI’m with D-Jam. I never fully trust a BPM readout on a CDJ. Especially when I’m playing Drum and Bass I don’t think they’ve ever been correct when on-the-fly analyzing. That said, I’ve found Traktor to be impressively accurate.
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