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  • #1015362

    Maybe you can upload an example? to soundcloud maybe or an other site. This way it’s hard to get an idea of the problem.

    When you mix the 2 tracks do you have the bass open of both tracks? That might be the problem. When you start to mix track B in track A cut the bass of the incoming track. At the right moment switch the basses. But maybe you are already doing this.

    There is always the possibility that some tracks don’t work well together.  But I assume you tried this with lots of different combination of tunes.  There is no way all the tunes in your collection don’t go together.

    And how about if you hit sync ( if you have sync button that is ) How does that sound?

    #1015367
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Hey Super Fun Time! thanks for the reply.

    Sorry about the sample because I was bussy I didn’t have the time to make one.
    Tomorrow I will upload it.
    I thought it whould be a common problem so thats also why I thought I could post without the sample.

    But anyways its just like you have the 2 kicks a fraction of a second to soon or to late.
    But you will hear that tomorrow 🙂

    You point on the bass down when bringing it in is indeed something I allready do.
    I tried it with lots of tracks but somehow I now am starting to wonder if it is not something to do with my laptop 🙁  I hope i can buy a new one soon but thats something else.

    The sync button doesnt work ether.
    Well will try to recreate it tomorrow.

    Anyways thanks again for the reply

     

    #1015370
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Owke I found a peace of music I uploaded just a while ago.

    Listen at 15:00 min.

    https://soundcloud.com/vorcera/trancescension-1?in=vorcera/sets/trancenscion-sessions

    Thats what I get almost with any kick I try

    #1015376
    Lamid45G
    Participant

    What type of software you used and the specs of your laptop ? and are you blasting this out on “big” speaker or ‘puter speakers?

    Have you tried this mixes on CD based hardware (aka CDJ), maybe friends? or DJ friend at the club where you can jump for 10 mins to try it out ?

    It also maybe the tunes you had its not properly warped, it could happened also

     

    #1015388
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    I would say that the timing is just slightly off. Prolly a minimal nudge during the transition and you would have been fine. But overall it is not that bad… just practice and you get the hang. But do not over focus and get angry, maybe take a break for 2 days and work on something else then come back and do not pressure yourself.

    #1015402
    Channa De Silva
    Participant

    This is the problem I have with digital. I’ve experienced this when DJing trance many years ago on wax. When you have a 33 and your trying to mix into a 45, one kick is longer than the other. And yes, you want the center of each kick to occur together. It kinda reminds me of the sound of a heartbeat.

    At any rate, the adjustment you are trying to make is VERY small. I am awesome at doing this on my 1200s, I still haven’t been able to do this on my DDJ-SX, or on my friends CDJ2000nxs. I am awaiting a Denon SC3900 since that has a moving platter which can be set to the same specs as the 1200s. Therefore, I will once again be able to make those tiny adjustments.

    You can continue trying, but I’m pretty sure it’s a product of the software/controller combo wherein you can’t make that small of an adjustment. Either the software will just jump to the next ‘grid point'(?) instead of transitioning between the two seamlessly because it doesn’t have that kind of resolution. Or, you (or I for that matter) have not found that magic setting for the platter to make that kind of an adjustment. Hopefully that makes sense. Same thing happens to me on my DDJ-SX with Serato DJ.

    #1015404
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Thank  you guys for the replies.
    I thought I was going crazy but as Channa De Silva said it could be the software vs controller.

    I will be trying to get something to work.

    But again thank you.

    #1015412
    Silvercue Master
    Participant

    Sounds to me like (haven’t listened yet but will when I get home) that you are describing songs that are at same BPM but not perfectly “lined up”.  This is a skill that sync bitton does not fix, it is about having a an ear and practice and experience.  You will have to nudge one tune so it gets in perfect time with the other.

    At first it isn’t always obvious which one to do that to, this comes with time and practice.

    My tip is to line songs up listening only to the incoming track on headphones and current track with open ear.  Then when you think they are lined up perfectly you then cover ears with both headphone ear pieces and play BOTH tracks through the headphones.  You then know if you need a minor adjustment before mixing it in.

     

    This only works if you mix in what I call the “old way”.  If you are SYNCing and then stopping the incoming track and pressing play at a certain point already cross fadered – this will not work.  I never do that though.

     

     

    #1015413
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Hey Silvercue,

     

    I do use the sync button but only on the last bit of slowing down or speeding up a track.

    I nearly never use it to get them to play together correctly.

    As many say you need to to the syncing by ear.

    And if you use the pitch controll it goes in little steps and almost never gets it the same.

    (maybe still a bit of cheating) but when the pitch is almost there I press sync.

    But then only when i now it wont jump on me.

     

    But back to you reply.

    As you said I also thought it whould be just a nudge away of getting it correct but for some reason every change I make doesnt help.

    if I nudge forward I hear the beats being dubble but if i do the opposite and nudge it back then I also hear it dubble.

     

     

    So thats why I was going crazy.

    #1015416

    I think maybe you also trying to do it to perfect. When mixing 2 tracks sometimes it’s better to wait a few seconds before you try to nudge the tracks. Let them drift apart just a little bit longer. This way it is easier to hear if you need to speed up or slow down. At least this is something I struggle with sometimes.

    Example. tracks start to drift a little bit ( just as in your mix at 15 min ) wait, let them drift. Ok now you hear you need to speed it up. Nudge the track faster. Now there in sync. go back to the mix ( eq, faders ) till it drifts again. You know now it needs to go faster. So nudge it up again. I don’t know if that makes sense, but this is how I do it. Otherwise I tend to nudge faster, slower, faster. You get the idea. But that is the beautiful thing of mixing. Everybody has there own little techniques and tricks.

    And be patient as mentioned above. Watch other mixes. I really like the pioneer sounds show. It’s got the camera above the decks so you can see what the DJ is doing. I really like this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDtsqgJhAds

    It’s DJ Sneak, one of my heroes. Watch the first transition at 13:45 it is not perfect but he takes his time. He is using the pitch for adjustment. But this is not always so easy on some controllers ( like my reloop mixage with it’s short pitch faders ) But you can also do it with the jogs.

    Keep practising and you will improve yourself.

    #1015418
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Thanks for the nice tips.
    I also like to watch the pioneer sound show but like to watch how markus schulz does it 🙂

    But I understand fully what you are reffering to on the mixing part of your reply.
    I will keep that in mind when I am trying to mix a song and get the same problem again.

    And after the start in february I do notice I made big improvements 😀

    #1015433
    Silvercue Master
    Participant

    maybe your controller nudge is too sensitive?  I have got used to mine now and it isn’t sensitive, so I give it a good nudge and it just moves the tune very, very fractionally, which is ideal.  i doubt they are all the same.

    #1015537
    Jeroen Kolkman
    Participant

    Indeed they are not.
    But I think do realise that I have much to learn so I will just continue and see were this all leads me.
    Although I have the idea that the kick problem was more my laptop f*cking me over then the controller or the software 🙁

    Time to buy a new one XD

    #1015586
    Silvercue Master
    Participant

    do you mean like lag?

    I had an issue when I tried to use Audacity to record my mixes when I had DJ Intro by Serato (it doesn’t allow you to record directly).  It cased Lag somewhere in my computer, probably due to the sound card not being top notch and it made mixing impossible.  The head phones told me the beat was lined up, but then when mixed there was lag from the controller to the computer (or laptop) and it was out.

     

     

     

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