Starting off in production?
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October 22, 2013 at 3:03 am #1014979
Lamid45G
ParticipantAbleton is great for a starter inspring producers,
I found the FL Studio too alienated for my taste, and it dont give me a full fredoom
October 22, 2013 at 9:03 am #1015008Terry_42
KeymasterI agree with djrizki on Ableton letting you just do stuff…
But you should also note that you need to learn about music theory, not the full load a classic performer needs, but a basic understanding of song structure, harmony and beat progression is a must and it will show in your songs.
Actually it is what a friend of mine who is scout for a record label says most often: “I can hear if they know music theory in the first 5 seconds of a song and if I do not hear it then I diss the demo.”
October 23, 2013 at 1:18 pm #1015124Channa De Silva
ParticipantThe following is my process. I think music theory is the most important to have under your belt
1. Song Writing – Major parts
2. Sound Design
3. Arrangement
4. MixingAbleton will probably be a good bet. You can find some great tutorials on youtube about all the 4 points. I’m a classically trained pianist. Been playing since ’87. I’m a guitar instructor, been playing that since ’92. I have musical theory up the wazoo, and I’ll tell you this…songwriting is NOT easy.
Start off with a simple chord progression. Know the difference between a major chord and minor chords. Make sure your melody lines/pads/bass all harmonize with that chord progression. Use the chord tones to achieve this. Get all your parts recorded in MIDI
Sound design takes me the longest. Use some presets to get you started and look up some videos about synthesis. Get to the basics, like strip down to 1 oscillator and choose the “right” waveform for the job. I usually go with a square wave when dialing in a bass sound, saw wave for a lead, sine wave for a pad. It’s really up to you what kind of waveform to use that sounds good for those parts. Make a 4 or 8 par loop of each sound and part. Don’t take too long in this stage.
Once you have your sounds and parts, it’s like you have a pallet of colors and you’re about to start painting. This is the arrangement phase. Copy and paste all the parts in 4 bar sections until you have a HUGE chunk of regions. Then start muting the 4 bar sections your not going to need for the intro of the song, then add in layers as you feel they should be added. Remove layers and wait to do build, and breakdowns with FX last. Once you’ve got your basic structure for the whole track. Go back and see where you want to add an extra “this or that.” Don’t spend too much time doing this.
Next is the mix phase, where you’ll have to EQ every layer, do the stereo imagine, and get ready for final mixdown/bounce to send off for mastering. You could master yourself, but people with a lot more experience can do a much better job for not too much $$.
To answer your question on how long it can take. I’ve made a full prog house track in less than 1 week. That’s with a 40 hour day job, 5 music lessons, a kid, a fiance, 3 dogs, and a house to take care of. Other tracks have taken months. One thing that really speaks to me is to not spend soooo much time trying to get that perfect sound, or make that amazing build. Just make it and tweak it a little. GET IT DONE. Then move onto the next one. All the criticism and tricks you learn along the way, you will use for your next track. Don’t get stuck trying to make the music you hear inside your head. It will take you years, and you may have not completed anything.
Good luck! I love making music, and it’s a labor of love.
October 24, 2013 at 11:43 am #1015190Rubenzki
ParticipantI think theres a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) for everyone. I have tried Ableton, FL studio, Reaper, Music studio, Logic and Cubase and found out that ableton was the DAW for me.
I suggest you just try out a lot of DAW’s and go for what you felt was the best.
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October 28, 2013 at 7:25 pm #1015415Anonymous
InactiveDoes the above apply to creating remixes? Â That’s something that I’d like to start doing in a hurry.
November 26, 2013 at 1:09 am #1017095Isaiah Furrow
Participantanybody have any input on Maschine Mikro Mk2 as a first step into production? My plan was to get that first, then add something like the Scarlett 2i4, and a good mic or 2, then the APC40 and Ableton… Looking into some KRK6 or the similar Pioneer monitors. Anything else I should look into? I don’t play any instruments other than simple hand percussion, hence the decision for pads and not a keyboard… I think starting with the Mikro would be fun, not too much expense, and would let me get my feet wet and learn a lot, like whether I really want to dive in deeper… it would be nice an portable too, easy to get out and jam whenever, right on the coffee table and stuff, later I could get the full maschine or the studio one… just thought I’d ask here, and my questions and any response might be of help for the OP, giving another approach/outlook……
November 27, 2013 at 10:41 am #1017145Terry_42
KeymasterYour first step should be to learn about music theory and song structure, or no matter what tool you use you will fail to make anything a label would seriously consider.
Making real good songs that win the favour of labels includes a lot of preparation before you start out on the tools and to make that preps you need to know what you do.
Of course brainstorming with the tools is also important, but you save that brainstorming stuff to then create a song out of it and not just “play the instruments” and a song will magically appear…
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