This may seem like a stupid question…
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September 26, 2012 at 4:11 pm #1012631
Maxwell Rogers
ParticipantP Chiddy,
I’m actually in the same spot you are. I also started out on a Mixtrack Pro with Serato Intro, then I moved on to the NS7Fx with Itch. Now I’m on the DVS road with SSL I don’t know where you live but Serato seems to be the DJ standard (clubs, bars, etc) in America. SSL is free by the way… its the equipment that costs. Most places here in Italy (and the rest of Europe) are usually Tractor. Obviously I prefer the simplicity of Serato but many people prefer Tractor because from what I understand is the flexibility of the software and effects offered.
Now to your question… from what I see you are transitioning into being a professional Dj with a residency so I say get the gear that presents you as a professional. See what the standard is in your area and master that. Playing on a DVS set up (CDJs or Turntables w/ Laptop) is different then playing on a controller. Not better just different. It is also looked at differently by many club owners. Unless you are a longtime established Dj like Phil many new Djs ARE judged as unprofessional or “fake” for showing up with a controller. I don’t like it but it IS a fact.
My advice: Keep the controller for personal use or as an emergency back up and master the club standard.
September 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm #1012673softcore
MemberDont get too caught up by the so called “industry standards”. There are no industry standards anymore because there are LOTS of products out there, each one with a different approach and there are even more ways to operate with combinations of said products. For your info the so-called “industry standard” here in Greece is “CDs” – everything else is (was) considered fake – until those “purists” saw the price tag of S4 – “hmmmm, its expensive so it MUST be an industrty standard”….And thats how S4 became the first controller ever in Greece that close-minded DJs received without witty comments like “this is fake” , “this is a toy” and all sort of idiotic things. I have also met personally lot of people looking down on me when I was arriving at the club and plugging in my controllers – it usually took me around half an hour of Djing to wipe the sarcastic smiles off their faces and replace it with “interest” and “investigation” of what Im actually doing with all those buttons and knobs.
Now on to your specific dilemma just go with whichever suits your style and workflow. Do not fear what the club onwer is gonna think – club onwers do not KNOW about Dj equipment – if you play well, and if the customers are happy, he will happily accept that your controller is “pro equipment” !September 27, 2012 at 7:58 am #1012723Terry_42
KeymasterYou are talking like the tools make a DJ. They are not. You are an artist that uses scientific tools to achieve his art.
If you use a 30 year old tape recorder and a faderfox, SSL, VDJ or Traktor or CDJs or rekordbox or whatever does not matter, as long as you can create moments of magic for your audience.
The most important thing when selecting your tools as an artist is: The tool has to compliment your workflow and not stand in your way of performing. So whatever floats your boat is right, there is no wrong decision here.September 27, 2012 at 8:28 am #1012732Anonymous
InactiveYes I never understood the fixation of tools defining the artist. Maybe I’ve seen too many guitar players showing up at jams with vintage Fenders and sounding boring and bad.
Me thinks the next gen controller DJs will just blow the mind as they use the controllers for something extremely creative (such as Madeon) and that’s how it is and it is fine.
September 27, 2012 at 9:07 am #1012738Maxwell Rogers
ParticipantTerry_42, post: 29153, member: 1843 wrote: You are talking like the tools make a DJ. They are not. You are an artist that uses scientific tools to achieve his art.
If you use a 30 year old tape recorder and a faderfox, SSL, VDJ or Traktor or CDJs or rekordbox or whatever does not matter, as long as you can create moments of magic for your audience.
The most important thing when selecting your tools as an artist is: The tool has to compliment your workflow and not stand in your way of performing. So whatever floats your boat is right, there is no wrong decision here.I think this is the first time I would ever have to disagree with you or softcore but I have to point out that you are both correct that the equipment doesn’t make the Dj the performance does, but when you are established Dj, well-known in your scene (local, global, whatever) you can get away with a lot more. Theres a big difference between myself showing up to an event with a mixtrack pro and Frankie Knuckles walking into Space with a mixtrack pro. When you are up and coming establishing yourself you have to both the skills and the ability to present yourself professionally. Your equipment IS part of showing your professionalism. IMHO you have to know how to use all the equipment out there. When you are new to the scene you can’t afford to lose a gig just becuase you’re tied down to your one controller. Flexibility gets you more gigs.
September 27, 2012 at 10:34 am #1012743P.Chiddy
MemberI really appreciate the responses guys, it’s extremely rare to find a forum where you can post a question and receive multiple friendly, informed answers.
If I’m honest, the opinions of others are the least of my concerns. I’ve had people give me the “seriously, digital?” look and speech before and, ultimately, I know I can silence them when I show them what I can do with my controller (even just the Mixtrack). It’s more like, I have this set budget, really want an S4, but everybody raves on about getting both the software and hardware for Rane Serato Scratch that it seems like something I should seriously be considering.
Getting gigs hasn’t been a problem for me really, I’m not a big club DJ mixing lots of heavy dance tracks which I’m ok with, i do that in my spare time. I’ve already made some excellent contacts so now it’s just about tooling up. I think you’re right though, the S4 feels like the natural next step to me so I should go for that. Where I’m DJing, elitism isn’t really a problem as people tend to be more interested in WHAT they are hearing and not how they are hearing it.
September 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm #1012755Terry_42
KeymasterBottom line: If you want the S4 and feel like it, then by all means go for it. (And that comes from someone like me who dislikes the S4, but would never dismiss you as a DJ for using one.)
September 27, 2012 at 1:57 pm #1012756P.Chiddy
MemberDo you mind me asking what it is about the S4 you aren’t keen on? I want to make an educated decision before I go spending
September 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm #1012757Terry_42
KeymasterIt is just the way I work and my workflow. I like really good and large jog wheels that are right there in front of me. The S4 has more the controllerist setup with the jogs in the back and I dislike the small jogwheels.
Do not get me wrong, this kind of setup is perfect for many DJs and the S4 is perfectly suited for them, but it would disturb my workflow (I had an S4 for like 4 months) and just do not feel as comfy using it than my Terminal Mix 4.
The S4 has a number of things going for it … just not for me.September 27, 2012 at 2:08 pm #1012758P.Chiddy
MemberCheers for the honest response Terry, going to my local DJ store to have a play and make the final decision tomorrow
September 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm #1012761Hee Won Jung
ParticipantComing from A controllerist Traktor Fanboy….I love my S4…and i wouldnt trade it for anything….cept maybe a VCI-400 EGE edition….sigh…this feels like deja vu.
September 27, 2012 at 4:19 pm #1012774Coltrane09
ParticipantI’ve tried to skim through the responses and I’m not sure if the OP mentioned if he was willing to switch from Serato to Traktor? Also, I wonder if the OP took the time out to go check out the club’s set up to know what controller will work for him in the short and long term.
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