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  • #1009604
    Todd Oddity
    Participant

    It very much depends what your goals are… If you don’t need the money, and aren’t looking for regular shifts, then take what you enjoy and politely pass on the rest.

    If you are looking for shows and looking for exposure, then expand what you are willing to play, but still be a bit selective. After all, you don’t want to build a great reputation for yourself in a style you hate, as that doesn’t help you out in the long run. But do take things that are slightly outside what you want to play if they may lead to shows you want (ie. making connections, gaining a following, whatever).

    And last, if you need the money, well then suck it up and take absolutely everything that comes along! lol

    Obviously, I’m generalising a little, but you get the idea. 🙂

    #1009609
    Terry_42
    Keymaster

    Now I hope this does not come around too hard but: If you do not ask money for it, it is not worth anything and this is how you get treated.
    Never ever play for free. This has nothing to do with promoting yourself.
    If you had a restaurant, would you come to my new years party with 50 people and cook for free to promote your restaurant? (If you do please call me)

    I ask for money if I play. I tell the managers/owners/whoever upfront what I am going to play. If they do not feel about it, then well I pass. If it is the first time in their club, well a discount is OK, but I clearly state on my contract that it is for e.g. a ONE TIME 20% discount.

    Of course weddings are different. There I play whatever they ask me to play. But I also prepare this in the talk beforehand and there are borders I will not cross, I rather pass on the gig.

    #1009638
    Nicko D.
    Member

    Wow. You don’t live in Sacramento, do you? 🙂

    I feel your pain man. But know that if you are really passionate about EDM then you can find a venue. Even in Top 40/Everything Latin-ville I live there is slowly a move towards commercial EDM tracks because of the rise of the DJ we are witnessing.

    So I’m on the same boat as you: I want to have fun playing my tunes. My choices in Sacramento are a small bar/club downtown that’s relatively new and hip (and I would love to play there), a pizza place (no joke), and the token gay club that has always played EDM music anyways.

    Amazingly DJ’ing at a pizza place is not high up there on my “fun” meter but if you love the music you do whatever it is you need to do.

    And as Terry said, you always get paid. It’s amazing how easy it becomes to quantify the benefit of a business relationship when there’s a monetary transaction attached. 🙂

    #1009641
    J-Zed
    Participant

    Nicko D., post: 25813, member: 2782 wrote: Wow. You don’t live in Sacramento, do you? 🙂

    So I’m on the same boat as you: I want to have fun playing my tunes. My choices in Sacramento are a small bar/club downtown that’s relatively new and hip (and I would love to play there), a pizza place (no joke), and the token gay club that has always played EDM music anyways.

    I’d take a gig at the gay club any day for a few reasons. They’re a good crowd, they both know and LOVE EDM. They make for good and often loyal fans and lastly as a straight DJ you can get pretty much any girl there. JUST saying.

    #1009644
    Nicko D.
    Member

    Ya, one of the interesting facts about the rise of EDM scene was when the gay club was starting to fill up with straight men and women of all ages that were going there because there was no other place playing that kind of music.

    #1009652
    D-Jam
    Participant

    Daniel, I feel your pain. This is what drove me to remain a hobbyist.

    I simply grew tired of playing music I hated, even for money. My normal job in web design/development pays the bills.

    The UPSIDE: I get to play by my own rules. Play what I want, what I like, what I believe in.

    The DOWNSIDES:

    1) I’m not playing anywhere…except online.

    2) If I wanted to play somewhere, I’d have to work then to produce tracks, promote myself and events, and be willing to drive hours to play a small 30-60 min set.

    If you really want to play bars/clubs, then you have to suck it up. Do other DJ things to make you happy, but start building up a name so you can eventually call the shots. Look into remix services so the rap will be easier to play. Find a nice balance so you play the crap up until people are drunk, then hit them with some other tunes you like. That or get into production and promotions…push a scene you believe in.

    Daniel Dunn, post: 25766, member: 1102 wrote: I thought DJing is supposed to be someone who has a deep passion for music and wants to share it with a group?

    Things were that way up until 2001. At that point the promoters pushed in and changed the scene. Things went less “rave culture” and more “bottle service culture”. They made the consumer (especially hot girls and high rollers) the kings. Now you have incidents like Mark Farina being kicked off the decks.

    I wish I could paint a better picture, but there’s plenty of DJs willing to play crap for free just to play. It’s tough. Hence why I tell many like you to build something. A scene, a show, something that gets fans and yet they want to hear your tastes in music.

    #1009681
    Steelo
    Participant

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    Terry_42, post: 25784, member: 1843 wrote: Now I hope this does not come around too hard but: If you do not ask money for it, it is not worth anything and this is how you get treated.
    Never ever play for free. This has nothing to do with promoting yourself.
    If you had a restaurant, would you come to my new years party with 50 people and cook for free to promote your restaurant? (If you do please call me)

    I ask for money if I play. I tell the managers/owners/whoever upfront what I am going to play. If they do not feel about it, then well I pass. If it is the first time in their club, well a discount is OK, but I clearly state on my contract that it is for e.g. a ONE TIME 20% discount.

    Of course weddings are different. There I play whatever they ask me to play. But I also prepare this in the talk beforehand and there are borders I will not cross, I rather pass on the gig.

    I’m sorry but I must disagree on this point. Whilst you should be careful not to short change yourself, accepting an unpaid gig to get your foot in the door is just fine and quite the norm in many areas. You do have to be careful that you don’t get taken advantage of. Only the first gig should be free.
    Accepting gigs your not stoked on playing can sometimes be a good move to get yourself other gigs too once you’re established then I wouldn’t be accepting anything you don’t like.

    #1009692
    Reason808
    Participant

    I said this before somewhere else on these forums, and somebody gave me a lot of shit for it, but my experience DJing weddings and seriously uncool suburban and rural gigs really helped me when I eventually got to spinning at underground lounges in New York City.

    There’s a big difference between mixing for your own pleasure and a real crowd that instantly reacts to what you do. If you’re starting out as a DJ sweating it out in front of a real crowd, even a lame one, gives you some serious DJ chops that’ll strengthen your skills no matter what: you’ll read crowds, plan your sets to get people hyped, manage people and requests, and handle various types of pressure.

    You shouldn’t make yourself miserable, but look at this as an exercise. You probably didn’t like doing sit-ups and drills, but that helped you as a rugby player. This is kinda the same.

    Also, there’s something really great about raising the energy level and happiness of a room no matter what the music. Don’t deny yourself that thrill.

    #1009726
    NewportDJ Drew
    Participant

    Also, there’s something really great about raising the energy level and happiness of a room no matter what the music. Don’t deny yourself that thrill.

    +1

    #1010052
    Daniel Dunn
    Member

    Hello all. Thanks for all of your responses and feedback.

    Just to clear a few things up: 1. I didnt ask for $ for the gig b/c I’ve been doing it for 8 months and have a very small “fan base”. I Just wanted practice playing in public. 2. Its a struggling bar an acquaintance of mine owns. He barely can pay the DJs he has coming in.

    But as a follow up to my last post I wanted to tell you I went back this past weekend, and had a blast. I played in the back room again. I started around 10 playing some Top 40 stuff for a Michigan State Party (Alumni Mostly). It was alright till some of the older guys started to ask me to play Eddie Money…got kinda awkward. After awhile they left and the younger crowd came in. I played some newer EDM, a few Top 40 Remixes and a few of my bootlegs…nothing. Around 12:30 they left and a few of my friends came in asking for hip-hop. I was pretty desperate at that point to see someone dance and have a good time, so I did. I began having a fun time dancing, drinking and being crazy with my friends. Once other people saw me talking and having a good time they started coming up, buying me drinks, and started dancing with me (unsuccessfully). Anyway I played old school and newer hip-hop/rap to most peoples enjoyment. At the end of the night I spoke with the DJ on the main floor and the owner; they both said they heard a lot of good things about my hip-hop mixing, which was bitter-sweet. Anyway the owner slipped me $100 and wished me well.

    So I’m headed back to Atlanta (for school) and hopefully new opportunities. Thanks Again; God Bless

    And for a bit of Shameless self promotion: I “DannD” placed 3rd in “FromDjs4Djs.com Worldwide Mix Competition” with this mix http://soundcloud.com/daniel-l-dunn/fromdjs4djs-com-mix

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    #1010065
    Dalton Black
    Participant

    I’m a beginner but I have the same issue. I usually play house parties for free and everyone around here, all races, are really into mainstream rap and dirty south style rap (I live in the south. They always wanna hear Yo Gotti, Gucci, Lil Wayne, etc.). The first time I played one of these parties was the first time I DJed outside of streaming/practicing and I made the mistake of playing what I wanted to hear, which was straight dubstep, DnB, and house. Needless to say, my listeners weren’t pelased. The next time I played, it was the same house with a slightly different crowd but similar tastes. Even though I thought I’d learned my lesson and compromised by playing crunkstep, dubstep remixes of popular rap songs, and trap, they still weren’t happy with these genres. It got to the point where I just packed up and went home because I was refusing to mix what they wanted to hear. Honestly, I don’t know if I should just learn to play stuff even if I don’t want to or be adamant about my choice of genres. I can definitely relate though.

    The most annoying part is that friends think they can get over on me by going over to my laptop while I piss or smoke a cig or whatever and throw rap songs onto my decks and try to take over my controller while they have absolutely zero experience with DJ hardware or software…or they think they can pester me and bring down my morale by talking shit into my ear while I play what I enjoy ‘no one wants to hear that rave shit, etc.’ It’s really discouraging for me.

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